MelonHead

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

Well, I'm not convinced by your argument. I think if Doc had meant for the Pater to launch itself off the Mech as you say it would have gone a hell of a lot further than six feet, that's for fucking sure. His creature is freaking 16 foot long and has broken ribs, yet it's clearing the Mech and landing just six feet away without knocking into the arms at all, absolutely ridiculous. How is its massive snake-like body doing that? Seriously what the hell is happening in this movement, it makes no sense. It would probably have fallen on his fucking sniper rifle.

I'll tell you who would fall rather than jump, someone escaping a chain-gun firing literally two feet away.

Whatever, I have to accept the ruling though it's somewhat unfortunate that I'm put at a massive disadvantage after my opponent ignores a relevant part of my character. Unfortunately I can't really think of how to proceed, so I'm leaving this fight until I've finished some real life stuff and if I still find it as fucking stupid as I do now I'm burning it, as the last two posts have effectively ruined whatever semblance of logic still remained.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

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I seem to recall it moving from being basically on top of the mech to landing on the bone-covered ground to its right. The movement was described as a "lunge," which is a little unclear, but the same post made it obvious that the Pater was in 'midair,' making it clear enough that it was a jump.

@Drifting Pollen

Uh, it was in mid-air because it fell off the Mech. If you imagine the situation as Doc obviously did when writing, completely ignoring the pauldron, you can see that Slimy would throw itself rightward and over the Mech's shoulder and then fall to the ground, it didn't need to jump in that scenario, it's only now that Higan has used the pauldron to feel which side the creature jumped off his Mech that it's suddenly became a majestic high jump.

Ultimately, Doc's failure to include relevant information has led me to enact a strategy I thought I was well within my rights to use, as the Mech's pauldron is clearly shown and could easily have been interacted with on the departure of a 300kg creature. Because of this, I've now revealed my plan, pretty much the only way I could think of to even hit a creature that has avoided bullets from literally five feet away while simultaneously blinding the Mech. I can't retrieve that tactic, so I'm put at a disadvantage because my opponent did not include a painfully important part of the Mech in his hasty escape, nor describe the act of evasion properly, which has been a pretty pervasive trait throughout this fight. If I'm working with an incredibly vague opponent, how the hell am I supposed to do anything? The creature is hard enough to hit as it is.

Also, what the fuck am I supposed to do instead? Should Higan remain stock-still and just wonder what's going on, can I look rightward as a guess or do I have to look left because otherwise it would be meta-gaming? Can I move away from the creature or do I have to move towards it? There's really no good follow up for me in this, as Doc can and probably will accuse me of meta-gaming if I do anything other than write 'The Pater wins at everything'

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

Tldr; the Pater makes its jump unobstructed.

@Drifting Pollen

What jump?

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

Jesus christ, your character literally clambers across the floor like a snake-bat. Unlike the Mech, who we can assume would bound over obstacles because it runs around on two legs, your character has shown to clamber over them and slither around, while doing so it alerted Higan, that's all there is to it. Not to mention, your character gained huge ground on Higan despite him running at full speed, so it's not as if he could have been keeping up. If I was trying to exploit the pauldron in the way you're describing I'd have argued you couldn't avoid the chain-gun because of it, I wouldn't have used it to set up my characters next move as he improvised his way through blindness. There's no reason to assume that Slimy would suddenly start leaping and jumping over obstacles when it would be quicker to clamber over them, especially considering the context it was in, which is why you failing to mention a different form of movement works in my favour.

An analogy then, my character sets up a raised pit-fall trap, the opponent runs over the ground. In my next post I say the pitfall activates, in their next post they say actually their character jumped over the entire trap because why wouldn't they, it's a minor inconvenience so it makes sense to just leap over it like a salmon when running would be quicker. You're saying it's impossible to refute that? There's no mention of Slimy leaping anywhere, only lunging and throwing its weight around, which would suggest a rolling motion if anything. Just because the obstacle is there and Slimy has the capacity to deal with it doesn't mean Slimy is going to deal with it perfectly, particularly if you don't even bother mentioning it.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

It is like the barrel of the rifle, you completely ignored something, again.

You're still assuming I'm arguing your character would be impeded, which although I believe is true is not what I've argued at all, I'm arguing that your post ignored the obstruction of the pauldron and therefore I was like to interpret your character knocked into it during its escape, revealing its location. That's all there is to it.

Regardless of which, the main issue here is you then rolled in with a post with OOC knowledge fixing your mistake of ignoring the pauldron in flagrant disregard of the rules, when you should have instead contested if Higan could use the pauldron in the fashion I said. However, the disadvantage is all yours, the fact is you chose to ignore something which is plainly obvious in the reference picture because you've decided it was irrelevant, when the situation clearly dictates it is not.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

(whose description had changed from "a few spots around the middle" to "one thin strip of light patches about two thirds of the way across if one started by looking leftward")

I then quite clearly emphasised it was 100-120 degrees, which is by anyone's standard 'around about the middle' two thirds would have actually been 135 degrees or more, it was more of a guesstimation by Higan than a literal description. Though please, do continue to try and pick apart my posts rather than answering my ultimatum, judge decision or accept the move.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

@MelonHead

Slimy is soft and squishy, there wouldn't be any bodily resistance when smashed by 30 tons.

@Doc Doctor

Evidently, when I first assumed that was what happened your character probably should have been hopelessly crushed, I still believe it should be, but I don't force people to take more damage than they choose, poor form.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

'Rather than the dull metallic clang Higan had been expecting the thirty tonne A.S.P had caught Slimy between itself and the rough stone wall.'

This never actually happened though, as you explained to me that in fact your creature was conveniently perched with none of its body overhanging, which I accepted. However, you can't have that and still expect Higan to think the creature is stuck, the only reason he would have thought it was the difference in the Mech slamming into the wall.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

Higan only thought the Pater was trapped when I thought the situation was different and wrote things differently accordingly. If his Mech's back had slammed into the wall without any bodily resistance as you insist he probably wouldn't have thought it was trapped at all.

Running and Gunning - Higan Vs. The Magna Pater

It literally has no idea that the pauldron is going to reveal its position, not to mention haste is really the only thing that matters to the Pater if it wants to avoid being perforated with chain-gun rounds. The only information one has to go on from your post is your character lunging to the right and throwing its weight to the side, neither of these things suggest it leapt clean over the pauldron, therefore one can assume that the Pater made some contact with it before it left the Mech, because it is there quite clearly in the picture and that's the direction you chose to dive in, without any mention of your character sailing clean over the pauldron with no contact.

You can either accept that you should have mentioned the pauldron, as regardless of how meagre an obstruction you deem it, it is still a very obvious one and one that bears mentioning at such a crucial juncture, or you can ask for Pollen again and see if they feel Higan detecting the Pater leaping off his mech's right side was unfair.

Once again I should point out your character carries out another flawless action after another flawless dodge, you suggest it's lithe and agile without a medium of panic, and yet its ribs are broken and its lower stomach stuck to the top of the Mech, which hardly suggest to me that the escape should be as perfect as you describe.

My tiger example was to explain how Higan would feel the weight of the creature leaping off from inside the vehicle.