PopeAlessandros

The Rebel Vampire

The chemical effect will end in two days, but you are right, the recover after that will take a long time for poor Joseph :P

*Shifty eyes* *Can not reveal important bits*

The Rebel Vampire

It may seem psychological, but the soft breaking potion is still working on his system, the way I've designed it at least, ant the initial hard breaking is still there as well, it's just dulled because it hasn't been renewed in forever. That is why simple requests do not trigger his chemical auto response, and why direct orders still do. *Sad smile* Alexi will order him to take it if he has to. He won't want a slave around after all, he wants them all free, and if Joseph tries to defy him in that, Alexi will be forced to order him, which he will have to obey. He would never deny Joseph the right to continue serving, but. . . . .*Thinks of things that can not be said aloud* He can serve, but Alexi will not let him stay a slave.

The Rebel Vampire

*Points up* I did. I edited it in while you were replying to the first part I think. As to the matter of thinking up absolutely horrid things, do not be ashamed, it is a gift. A gift most would rather not have, but as a writer it is useful. I took no offence :P I was just saying that: Just because I can write it, doesn't mean I would enjoy RPing it :P

The Rebel Vampire

*Rolls eyes* I just have a different way of of viewing such things. For people who saw slaves as things, the mind of the slave would have no real value as long as it did what is was suppose to, and in the case of the slave being rare and dangerous, it would have the most value to a collector as safe and easy to show off to others. In the case of your RP, it seems that the rebel leader was still a person in the emperor's mind, not an object, so the parallel can not be drawn. Kings would often try to subjugate counties and lord they conquer, leaving them a bit of their own culture and the like because they are more valuable that way, but in these cased, the lords and people are still seen as humans, not object, like slaves are. That's the only point I was trying to make really is that when it comes to slaves,a true slave collector would never see any real value in the slave's ability to think, only seeing value in owning such a rare piece and more enjoying showing him off than caring what chores he could do. Like those crazy people who buy art without being able to appreciate it. It may be a profound and moving piece, but all they care about is showing it off to their friends and making other jealous.

I personally would never think this way, but as a student of human nature, and someone who strives to make sure he is able to write things I don't believe in accurately I have had to dig into such unpleasant things. :P

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Oh, and about Joseph. The soft breaking still requires a potion, however it is a diluted version of the original. However, this does mean that with every generation his bond to the family has be re-affirmed, and even though it was in a much less powerful manner. . .I's like cigarettes. The longer you have been smoking them, the harder it is on your body to quit. As for when he's freed, there will be a couple days where he is sick as a dog, but think of it like a smoker going through withdrawal, but at the end of it his/her lungs are clean and there is no remaining chemicals int here system begging to be fed by nicotine. However, they will still have the off habit of reaching for their pack after a meal, or feel restless son occasion when they have nothing to do with their hands since they no longer are handling a cigarette all the time. Odd little quirks, but no vicious need for the chemical. So, in this case, Joseph's natural loyalty to Alexi and his brother will still be there, if that is part of his free mind, however he will no longer feel the need to submit if given an order by any given human. He may occasionally start to comply before realizing that "Hey, I don't have to, up yers!" His wills till feel the guilt of his actions from long ago, but he will actually be able to get over it now that he is no longer constantly bound to one of the bloodline that he caused harm to. I hope that makes sense. Alexi made very sure that the freeing potion would work quickly, albeit a bit harshly, so that it only takes a couple days for the physical recovery. After that their minds and hearts will be able to heal, no residual feelings of their previous owners keeping them down. Those who have been hard broken and horribly treated will take some time to recover, but with (Hopefully :P) Erik and Joseph's help, and the aid of the resistance under their guidance, recovery will be as painless as one can expect. *Shifty eyes* Despite what's going to be going on at the same time. *Devious look*

The Rebel Vampire

I will address the former when I have a brain to do so. As to the latter, for a collector, the hard breaking would not be crumpling, it would be cleaning and preserving the slave. It doesn't matter that Erik's mind would be crushed, because it's how other humans look at the owning that matters. Even as a broken blank slate, being able to show off this "Once proud leader" as a collectible would be the prize, not the actual state of his mind. Who cares if he still thinks for himself, this man/woman here has him, and has tamed him. What a catch! Things don't have minds, and slaves are things, so a thing with a broken mind does not lessen the value of the thing when it's the possessing the thing that matters, which in this case is what would matter. Having him broken and subservient would server the human's ego. "Look at this amazing strong willed thing I now have under my boot, and polishing it too! Look at that!" So. . . . Yeah. . . . . Humans are f'ed up. And I have no brain. . . .Ish over der. . . .Collectin' flies :P

Oh, and, in this analogy, the person selling the stamp knows how much he could get from a collector, so you would pay out of the nose for that stamp, and if you tried to turn a profit on it there is a good chance he could find it cheaper somewhere else and you would be left with a stamp you may never sell, or if you do it will be fore less than what you bought it for. Too risky in my humble opinion. . . .

I must to sleep now before my last brain cell goes on strike. G'night, and sweetin dreams. . . . .

The Rebel Vampire

I think we're having a differing of opinion here. Being enslaved to the same family for so long Joseph's attachment to the blood line runs deeper than a normal even hard broken slave. The continual link to the same bloodline would make the re-breaking process quite difficult. It is, by the nature of such a long break, almost a part of his very make-up to serve the Vandros, and the loyalty to them would be excruciating to lose. The break would likely cause Joseph some major issue for a long time, and if not treated, permanent damage. I would say that, written in a manual somewhere, that trying to transfer a slaves bound via the breaking potion for over a certain amount of years to the same family is not recommended.

Tell me this: What is the value to you of a stamp that was originally purchased for 2 cents fifty years ago from a bank, in excellent condition, that only has thirty others like it ever printed, and only 10 of which are in the trading market?(Inaccurate example of the price of a stamp 50 years ago, but it's besides the point) Nothing, right? It's a stamp. But to a stamp collector, that stamp may very well be the holy grail of their collection. That is how collector minds work. *Nods* It's not what he can do as a slave that makes him valuable, it is making him "My" slave that has all the value :P

This, That, and The Other Thing ~ PopeAlessandros x Jiskastya

*Whips out pom poms and begins doing a cheer* You can do eet, I know you can! Do it do it, yeah yeah yeah!

This, That, and The Other Thing ~ PopeAlessandros x Jiskastya

Eh, I think it's less of a matter of incompatibility, and more a matter of us seeing things in such different ways that our flow is naturally choppy. If you don't like the use of the word color, then I am open to discuss some other way of representing the changing of the bits. I was seriously trying to explain my reasoning, and if that doesn't work, this is something I am more than willing to talk about it, and subsequently, change it.

The Rebel Vampire

Because of how long he's been enslaved in the Vandros family, it would actually be quite difficult to trade him over properly to another family. Even if they hard broke him, they would be essentially trying to unbreak his old bond to form a new one, and it would have to be a hard breaking to accomplish this. Orion knows this, and does not mind the idea. . .So. . . .Yeah, he's not evil, but he will go to great lengths when it comes to slaves he really wants.

You're right too, his skill set is mostly unknown, and most would assume that he is your general hard broken long lived vampire, which as you say, isn't worth too much.

I understand being insulted for your character. It happened at the beginning of an RP for an assassin character I had. The other character(My partner's character) somehow knocked the blade away from his throat when I know for a FACT that it was impossible. I brought it up with my partner, a change was made. But it was just that moment of my mind going "No! No way! Rei is way faster than a drunk half asleep human!" I'm glad you get the differential thought between his real worth and his public worth :P

Erik. . . . .Yes. . . . Has very little slave value. . . .However he is a collector's item that is nearly priceless at the same time. Most in his position are killed in the line of duty, or find a way to kill themselves so that they can't be hard broken and forced to divulge their secrets. So, to the public, a 1-2, maybe, and to a collector of rare slaves, a 8-9. He's like a rare baseball card, he only has worth to those who seek rarities like him.

This, That, and The Other Thing ~ PopeAlessandros x Jiskastya

I do not know how you want to solve this issue. I had an idea that the colors would just represent the nature of the atoms, like NO2 would look one color, and O2 another, and that's what the "Colors" would mean, which is why some bits refuse to come together because they are incompatible, but I didn't wanna go into chemical compounds, so I used colored instead. . . . .Simplifying things. . . . . .