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The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

I realized that earlier and noted it in an early post on Page 2. It'll be moved north of Nehelenia.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

Hockeystyle is would be equivalent to Sub-Saharan Africa in the early 19th century; which would be unindustrialized, low civilized. Nomadic in some regions even.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

I think the Commonwealth population is very large but not excessively large. More like the upper limit It is more the mention that other great powers are short on population which is simply not true for its time period.

@Milkman

Great Powers being short on population is not an issue. Being a Great Power in The Age of Nations is more about prestige than population.

I personally think that the Commonwealths army is too large for the time period. There is simply not a single point in 19th century history where any of the worlds great powers managed to field an army of over 1 million men during times of war. Not to mention that very large numbers of soldiers in the field proved to be unsustainable from both a financial as a supply point of view. The most important causes of death in war during the 19th century where starvation and desease, not actual combat. Also most great European powers struggled with the financial burdons of large standing armies.

Again. The 19th century is merely a reference point. There also weren't any Great Powers with a population of 72,000,000 either. Please remember in 1863, the Confederate States of America had a population of 9,000,000 and mobilized over a million men to fight for them. Though here is my mistake. That number is supposed to represent available men, not active soldiers in uniform.

I personally think that a high amount of points in Martial prowes should account more towards actual combat performance, leadership and quality of equipment rather then size.

It accounts for size, fighting proficiency and command.

And I will admit here that Cultural Unity adds to available manpower pool. Austria (as a 19th century empire) could have supported a much larger army, but had problems conscripting soldiers because it had such a large ethnic base that recruiting Hungarians who didn't speak German would've only hurt the war effort.

The information on which stats effect what are secret so people don't intentionally game the system. The Commonwealth has a very homogeneous society in that his cultural unity is so high that all the subject within the nation consider themselves a Boletarian first, and are much more likely to fight for the country.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

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I think a population between 20 and 40 milion is far more accurate for a great power during the early 19th century then 50 million+. France for instance had a population of around 35 million people, Great Brittan had less then 20 million (excluding their colonies). I found this list on some forum. Also take into consideration that Germany as a unified nation did not excist yet in 1840 same for Italy I think. As far as populations goes for great powers I think anywhere between 15 to 40 million would be accurate. Regional powers between 5-10 million and micro old world (NPC) up to 5 million.

1) Russia : 62.4 million
2) Austria-Hungary : 34.9 million
3) France : 34 million
4) Germany : 32.5 million
5) Italy : 22 million
6) England + Wales : 16 million
7) Spain : 14 million
8) Ireland : 8.2 million
9) Belgium : 4.1 million
10) Sweden : 3.1 million
11) Netherlands : 2.9 million
12) Scotland : 2.5 million
13) Finland : 1.5 million
14) Denmark : 1.3 million
15) Norway : 1.2 million
16) Greece : 0.9 million

A massive population during the early 19th century would also require a massive land size. This is because argicultural production methods where still very labor intensive and inefficient. During the late 19th century you can see a massive population boom that has been made possible by the industrial revolution. With the industrial revolution kicking in, the agricultural sector became much more efficient because of mechanisation. Basically less people could work more land.

@Milkman

I understand. I may decrease the population point system marginally to compensate for this, though besides the Commonwealth, none of the other countries have overtly large populations. Within the technological frame of The of Nations, the Industrial Revolution is almost over (1760-1840).

Also a massive standing army is a giant liability. Expensive to maintain and impossible to supply and live on the land while being on campain. Just ask Napoleon how much fun he and his 800.000 soldiers had in Russia. His campain failed because of the technology of that time could not support the logistics needed for such a large army. The logistical problems where mostly solved with the invention of railroads and motorized transportation by the start of the 20th century.

Not seeing where this is an issue? The Commonwealth's population (if decreased) represents it's large martial ability.

Also I assume that the ship clasification is based upon the British system (first, second and thirth rate ships of the line). The truth about first rates is that they where expremely expensive to operate to the point that they where kept in harbor mottballed during times of peace in order to avoid damage and wear to the ships and thus expensive repair costs. I don't think that the Royal navy had more then 5 first rate ships of the line at any point during the 19th century.

It's not based off the British ship. It's just based on the 19th century Ship of the Line, with a First Rate being more expensive and a better ship than a Second Rate.

On the point of colonization. Basicly all the european powers colonized large territories with small armies by making use of their technological advantage and clever diplomacy with the various tribes, societies, princes and whatever. Support 1 tribal faction to subdue the other. Give some power to local leaders while maintaining control. This way the Dutch colonized Indonesia and never had a large army present. The British used the same tactics in India and by 1857 only had about 35.000 Native British soldiers in India.

This is the historical initiative, sure, though I'm not sure what you're arguing here?

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

I'll really giving free reign here, though every "turn," as it were (once everybody posts once) there will be an EVENT/CRISIS that the Great Powers will have to respond to. I'll try and involve everyone that I can, of course.

Tomorrow I'll add rivers to the Old World and roll the stats for Thennia and Maljuk.

Again, I'll reiterate: YOUR NATION WILL NOT BE ALLOTTED FOR PLAY UNTIL YOUR APPLICATION IS 100% FINISHED AND ACCEPTED. That means you too Lone Wanderer!

EDIT: And actually Thennia will be moved because Nehalenia took that spot. That's my mistake, actually.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

I'll add the Kingdom of Skeptoni to the map sometime tomorrow. We have enough players to begin the game, but we need more finished applications! Skeptoni looks good.

Skeptoni and the NPC nations of the Maljuk Caliphate and the Kingdom of Thennia were added. These NPC nations are all important because they can be conquered, allied with, or traded with.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

Glad to see some people joining! Nations will not be accepted until their applications are complete. So we can begin fleshing out the world.

Feel free to make backstory with other player nations for your histories.

And also to WillyVereb, unfortunately this is a stark historical-esque RP. Only humans. No magic. Feel free to still jump in, however!

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

Definitely works. You'll be a non-Old Power nation, which means less civilized since although the Old a World is akin to North America in a way, there is no United States equivalent for modernization.

But yeah, looks good! Get your application fleshed out and I'll put you on the map! That's a third player. Two more and the game will start!

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

Similar to the Ohio River Valley. Arable, fertile.

The Age of Nations (19th century Nation RP)

The map for the New World is up.

I'll add rivers, forests and Nehalenia to the Old World soon.