TJByrum

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

@Darcs: I was trying to imply that the CSA officially used another national flag, not the battle flag.

Anyway, despite the flag being used by hate groups, being seen as hateful, racist, and other things, that's not what it means to the common southerner. To us, it simply represents the region known as the southeast US. A region that, supposedly, promotes a rural, small-town, local community and lifestyle. People like that, people are proud of that, and we'll use the rebel flag to show that pride.

I can't help that the KKK uses it for racist purposes. To me, it demeans the south and the flag that the KKK uses it. I hate them for that.

But when people try to restrict us on how we represent ourselves, that is what everyone gets mad about. Another comparison is flying a flag at my house if I lived in Japan. I'm sorry about what happened during WWII, I didn't support any of that - hell, I wasn't even around. But I'm proud to be from America, and that's how I am going to represent it.

If there's going to be protests and riots, they should be aimed at the KKK, Black Panthers, hate groups, and street gangs. Not a group of innocents proud to be from a specific region.

I can't stop being evil!

Boy, I can't stop being evil in RPing!

Right now I got everything lined up to:
1. Poison my allies, since they're about to eat some poisoned hog roast.
2. Demolish the only exit out of the mountain pass.
3. Butcher a group of reinforcements a leaving-player has left me (and then steal his horses)
4. Enter into a deal with the opponent to save my own skin once the deeds are done.
5. Send the heads of my allies to their respective nations.

And yes, the GM has already said this is okay to do.

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

I want to give you guys a little more info too.

The Confederate battle flag (Rebel henceforth) use to fly over SC's state capitol building. This caused issues, so it was taken down and moved to a Confederate memorial just across the ways. But it was part of a compromise; the flag goes to the memorial, and a African-American monument was also placed at the state capitol.

Fast forward 15 years, now the flag will be taken down, but the African American monument which was put up as the other half of a compromise will remain up. How is this a compromise anymore if only one side wins? There are folks now who, if the flag comes down, they'll start a petition to remove the African American monument.

Some people want to demolish/close all historical plantations in the area, remove the rebel flag from Confederate/Non-Confederate gravestones, and overall just erase the Confederacy from the south altogether.

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

Apple has removed all Civil War games from the App store. I think I read elsewhere that the United States has to remove the flag from their state flags, tagplates, bumper stickers, flagpoles, and more. Some folks in my region are discussing a potential law to pass on that will allow you to be charged for even owning the flag at all.

People are going to say it means a lot of things. But they're putting words in our mouths. The flag has come to represent the region of the US known as the Southeast, Deep South, the South, what have you. People who are proud to be from here use the flag to represent the region they're from.

Believe me, this is making a lot of waves where I live, but it's not going to get covered. Everyone's truck has a large Confederate flag waving off the back of their cab as they fly down the roads. Confederate flags are being raised on flagpoles. They're everywhere.

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

It's about like saying we should remove all Christian crosses from the churches because they offend Atheists.

To many people associating the Rebel flag with racism because they're ignorant. Robert E Lee, one of the greatest generals of his time, fought for the south and he freed his slaves. The Union generals (even Ulysses Grant) owned slaves before, during, and even after the Civil War. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves in the south, not the north. By that logic, the American flag is racist.

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

Good point mdk.

They've banned putting the flag on toys and replicas of the General Lee, and Wal Mart refuses to sell them.

I can understand a little bit of where people are coming from, but that flag is flying over a memorial for Confederates. I don't see anything wrong with it.

The Confederate Flag, and Charleston

I know it probably ain't much a big deal in other places, especially outside of America. But I live in South Carolina, so naturally it seems like a pretty big deal to everyone here. I just wanted to see what the intelligent folks here thought about the thing. I'm sure you've seen this spread across the rest of the south, cause other states associate this flag as well.

Now when I say Confederate flag, I mean the flag used by the Army of Northern Virginia (and other groups) during the American Civil War (this one, specifically, even though it ain't square). It was a battle flag used by commanders, but everyone in the south generally associates it with the Confederacy overall, instead of the real one - which was similar to this.

This flag is -everywhere- in SC. Shirts, windows, socks, jackets, cars, tagplates, flagpoles, decor, gravestones - everywhere; it was most notably seen on the Dukes of Hazzard's car, the General Lee. can't speak for its prevalence in other parts of the south.

From experience, this flag no longer stands for the Civil War, or the Confederacy. It is called the 'Rebel flag' now, and people associate it with the south- as in, with the region. It typically means they're proud to be from the south... from what I gather.

The big issue is that Dylan Roofe shooting that happened in Charleston, SC. This is where the Civil War 'officially' began for most, when shots were fired on Fort Sumter. Anyway, in one of his pictures, he was holding a Rebel flag. Now there's this huge controversy that's blown up over the past week. The flag once flew over our state building, but it was taken down some time ago - but it still flies over a Confederate memorial, and a lot of people want it taken down, including our governor Nikki Haley.

Fortunately... fortunately for South Caroline, there have been no riots, no looting, nothing like that. Far as I know, everyone's alright. They're protesting peacefully. I've seen pictures of opposing individuals hugging each other, so that's good.

But what do you think?

Marches of Man: the Black Shields. [ALWAYS OPEN]

Warren Wyk

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Warren pulled the mug up to his lips again, leaning his head further and further back so as to let the last remaining sips of the ale slide down into his mouth. "Ahh," he said, relieved. The ale wasn't good for his condition, but after such a long travel he needed it. He glanced around the camp, eying his new companions before standing up and walking towards the mess hall. By that time, Terryn Hoffman had made his way there and was about to give some sort of order.

Warren looked at the barkeep, nodded his head, and slid the mug close to the end of the bar for the man to wash. Warren stood up, stretched his arms and legs and made his way over to the mess hall. He went on for a short time, but Warren knew what this type of life was like and didn't pay much heed to the commander. Terryn turned to walk out of the mess tent and passed Warren.

"S-" The sound barely left his mouth before Warren's leaned forward and started coughing uncontrollably. He could feel the warm droplets of blood spurting from within his throat, showering his tongue, gums, and teeths. "Shit..." he said quietly. He slowly walked to the side of the mess tent and spit out the collection of blood. Some dried bits of blood, clumped together in the slimy-like conglomeration of blood and mucus landed with a 'splat' on the ground. The rain barely had the strength to wash it away it was so thick.

He pulled the rag from his pocket and wiped the blood from his mustache and beard , turning back around and heading into the mess tent, looking around to see if there was anyone worth talking to.

Marches of Man: the Black Shields. [ALWAYS OPEN]

Is anyone interested in collaborating with me then?

Red Legions

This RP takes place a few years prior to the next one. It will last long as long as it takes for the Allies to get defeated. I forgot to mention that you can't win this RP. Any families, factions, and kingdoms will be featured in the next RP as full-on factions; this RP will help to establish them.