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Ah, but suddenly all knowledge would have the potential to exist, and fiction would coexist with fact.


Exactly. Throw it all into chaos, let everyone have a good time figuring out the mess.
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Precisely! Such an object would be the very antonym of science. And yet, if there exists some physical manifestation of a contradiction, some interpretations assert that it may usher disastrous consequences.


Sounds like fun to me. A big old smack of the reset button, start over on everything. All knowledge is fair game.
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Which is why I’m interested in proving one of those three realities. My intuition is that the third category best represents Existence, but I admit that the second would branch into several new fields of research.


The science of contradiction. Doesn’t sound very sciencey at all.
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Perhaps on the scale of trends. However, given identical initial conditions, a new response would indicate that either there are additional variables we did not account for, that the world is inherently contradictory, or that there exists a false assumption, and that willed entities cannot adequately be described with our axioms. All scenarios beget fascinating, perhaps even chilling implications.


I give you that, certainly. More fascinating if you ever go beyond just conjecture.
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*Nods and smiles knowingly*
And yet, perhaps its residents are not. Which brings us back to empirical tests.


To an extent, at least. People are surprisingly consistent.
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Indeed. Assuming everything is built from consistent axioms, then we must face the reality of determinism. To believe otherwise is to reject that our world is consistent.


And we can't have that. The only thing I can consistently say about the world is that it is consistent.
*Grins widely with amusement*
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*Half smiles*
You almost appear to be adopting the physical determinism position.


This is all assuming. I enjoy a good thought experiment.
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Axioms, of course. I cannot further reduce a statement I declare to be true.


Just wonder if destiny does appear to be true to any regard, if it shares that sort of quality. Irreducible.
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If that were the case, I would ask who or what determines whether information is meant to be uncovered. Every truth is reducible to its constituent components, and to deny its own proof, somewhere must exist a contradiction.


I agree. You don’t think you can stretch that to a limit though? Things with components consist of things with components, and that’s true up to a certain point until you eventually get to the point where you find the thing that just is what it is, the smallest thing. The universal component. Easiest example is matter itself.
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Ah, it could be unprovable. The idea that the solution isn’t “meant” to be found is ironically similar to the concept of destiny itself.


That’s exactly what I was getting at.
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