Vilageidiotx

It's okay to kill animals!!!

I kinda wanna eat like all the meat now give me your steaks your porks and your chicken nuggers

@Fabricant451

did you want some of the crunched insects?

Hey Canadians

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if you literally just sit there and do nothing, you'll eventually become a part of the furniture and people will forget you exist.

@Chapatrap

And then the family hands me down generation to generation. A conversation piece, Vilageidiotx the Farting Futon.

Hey Canadians

The Queen is just there. She doesn't do or say anything of importance and that's why I like her... She does her job very well.

@Chapatrap

see, when i live like this people get mad and say stuff like "get off my couch" and "i don't know who you are"

Hey Canadians

Those are mostly semantic and completely immaterial arguments.

1: She is a foreign Queen. She lives in the United Kingdom. She is the heir to a British monarchy that was put in place by the British. On paper all things might have an equitable wording, but in practice she isn't Canadian.

2: Again this is a semantic distinction. The United States used to be the Thirteen Colonies of British North America. Sure, on paper we are a nation that came about in 1788 with the constitution and therefore have never technically been British subjects, but in practice we are the heirs to the Confederated government, which was in turn heirs to the Thirteen Colonies. In the same way, Canada was British North America. Sure, Canada itself might have on paper never been a part of the British Empire, but it is the direct heir to British North America. When Canada was born, it had the grand majority of the same people that British North America had the year before.

3: But that's it, isn't it? You achieved democracy democratically, go with that! The United States didn't ignore its British heritage, it's still very much there, in our legal system and our economic system. You don't need to hold onto a foreign monarchy to retain your British heritage.

Of course it's all symbolic, but we go back to point one: there isn't any need to get offended of the government decides to renounce an irrelevant monarchical tie and instead decide to be wholly Canadian.

Hey Canadians

Neither example A nor B is now or has ever been even tangentally related to Canadian national identity.

Abolishing the monarchy because "it will give off a good impression" is comedically ridiculous. Who is Canada supposed to be trying to impress?

@The Nexerus

How is still holding a foreign monarch as your monarch not tangentially related to prior British subjugation? That's where that came from. And I know B shouldn't be the case, but seriously that is the vibe I am picking up from this conversation, that the Queen is the tender thread that keeps you from being an extension of Minnesota.

And I'm not saying you need to have pride in your own achievements for my sake, or the sake of outside judgement. I'm saying you should have pride in your achievements for your own sake.

It's okay to kill animals!!!

Stepping on insects is delicious?

@Fabricant451

if you step on the big ones sometimes their poop comes out

Hey Canadians

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What exactly does abolishing the monarchy do for the system?

@The Nexerus

Create the impression that Canada is made for and by the Canadians, and not for and by a foreign entity.

The way you guys talk about it creates this impression that Canada's only achievements are somehow A: Being a former British Subject, and B: Being the northern neighbor of the United States, and that in order to keep your identity from being B you must whole-hardheartedly embrace A.

So getting mad at your PM because he dares associate Canada with an existence independent of those two things seems.... well, it's rather depressing.

It's okay to kill animals!!!

Well, there was a bit of exaggeration and joking.

My point was that, on a species-scale, everything besides humans might be doomed.

I don't actually support senseless animal killing.

Edit: Senseless not including 'for useful resources.'

@Awson

what about killing for useless resources?

Hey Canadians

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Some Canadians have their own identity, free from Britain. They're called French-Canadians, and everyone hates them.

@Jotunn Draugr

surely there must be middle ground, between the queen and the french

Hey Canadians

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Right. Completely unlike people who share a last name.

There are two reasons to preserve the current system. The first is cultural, which I have already laid out the case for, and the second is practical. The constitutional monarchy system works, excellently so; nearly every single one of the most democratic and otherwise most capably governed countries in the world follows the same example followed by Canada. It is an effective system, legally and politically, and any replacement is more likely to be inferior than superior.

@The Nexerus

What exactly does the Queen do for the system though? Surely you could just have a parliamentary Republic and it would achieve the same thing, plus you'd have your own identity.