Vordak

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Where is the time delay between your character raising his sword to parry the attack (which obviously has to happen at the point where Brennus' move is completed) and then relinquishing a hand on his sword to reach out and grab Brennus' wrist? Are you saying your grab is faster than Brennus' back-step and pulling his arm back? I don't see how that's possible unless Florian has supernatural speed. Or are you taking an additional step forward after the parry? In which case they are matched in action, so it must be that Florian is just faster for some reason, as he has to cover that distance where-as Brennus just has to extend it. (all of this is in response to the idea that the grab is inevitable)

@MelonHead

Read Sathanas reply again. That isn't what he says.

Brennus could push himself back with his right leg the instant before Florian's grapple connects

Sathanas Rex

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Seven is a pretty big distance. Brennus should indeed have his footwork encumbered.

However, you have yet to address the fact that as soon as Florian's hand leaves the grip to grapple, Brennus can easily push his sword downwards and threaten him with the tip pointed to the face.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

BTW, what was the initial distance between the two, at the time of Brennus' lunge? 10 feet?

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Brennus can still apply additional pressure to Florian's blade after he goes through with the initial attack though, even with both hands outstretched. Actually, he could lower Florian's blade low enough to attempt a stab to the head with his own.

Not to mention that my point about Brennus being capable to quickly disengage still stands true, so i'm rather skeptical in regards to whether the grapple will be successful or not.

EDIT: ninja'd by Melon

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

There are still some misunderstandings on my part then. I'm saying that the specific attack you used is not really cautionary, because of its long range. It's what happens when you move the back leg to accompany an attack. You kind of fly forward, to cover that much ground, and can be easily parried, even from an invite. It's an all out attack. It is because of this attack that I felt I could parry and move into a counter.

I understand you didn't want to throw yourself in an all out attack right off the bat. The fact you mentioned bringing the right leg forward to offer you extra momentum is what confused me. So if you re-word that attack slightly, I'll delete my post and think about the next best move.

I'd like this to be friendly, and for the spar to finish cleanly. I apologize if I've come across as needlessly stubborn or greedy haha.

@Sathanas Rex

Florian can't get a fast enough stab from his parry position though, so Brennus can get out of his range by stepping backwards while disengaging.

A cut can be parried right after disengaging, while the chance of a grab is obviously rendered null no matter what.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Ohohoho... Melon could totally try to end this fight right now. I'm not telling how tho.

Or not, actually.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

okay, I read correctly ^^ Glad that's settled.

My reply is correct. The thing with that attack is it cannot really be launched carefully. You said it yourself, the range of that attack is huuuge. And because of it, it's 'slow', as in takes more time to complete than Florian's intercept. He has all the time to parry it and connect his grapple. I've had the same thing done to me when I attacked into an invite normally, let alone in gran passata.

@Sathanas Rex

Not necessarily. While the momentum might lock his feet into place, Brennus is still free to pull away the sword with his arms, and he can do so wicked quick, taking into mind the nature of his attack.

As i see it, the strike is similar to a sabre snap cut, which is powered by the elbow and wrist. See how the guy on the right attacks twice in under a second? That's a sabre cut.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

If Florian parries the weak (closer to the tip) of Brennus' sword with the strong of his (closer to the hilt), then he can do it even with one hand.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Thanks, it's definitely easier to understand the post now.

And regarding the gran passata/passata: when you wrote "striking in gran passata", i inferred it to a be a variation of an offensive move named "passata", so that led to a bit of confusion. If i understand correctly, both actually refer to solely footwork.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Fencing is different that gladitoral techniques, as it is different from European longsword, Arabian scimitar and Japanese katana techniques. I wouldn't worry to much Vordy, just enjoy it.

@Skallagrim

That is exactly why we all write how the actual stances and guards are executed. I don't have a damn idea what moving one's fist into second position does, other than supposedly parry Melon's attack. Neither do i know what exactly a passata or beat are supposed to be. The only related things i found are the "passata sotto", which is dodging maneuver, not a parry, and the act of beating away an opponent's blade, which doesn't seem to fit into the context of Sathana's post.

I don't mean to rant, but a single post probably shouldn't require more than a few cursory google searches to understand.