fem·i·nism ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit noun the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; informalwomen's lib "a longtime advocate of feminism" This is the definition of feminism. Therefore, it's technically an egalitarian movement. As such, the people that so many tend to associate with feminism aren't actually feminists.

Official government surveys showed that women commit a great amount of domestic abuse, also there are official surveys that show that women specifically mothers hold the majority in abuse against children, but of course feminists never talk about that because it undermines their propaganda of making women look superior to men. I care about men's rights otherwise I would be a white knight believing everything that the feminist movement told me. I fully support father's rights and have plenty of proof of how terrible the custody courts are and how divorce and child support can literally take away all of a man's money and not be allowed to see his kids.

Look guy, all you're doing is inaccurately defining the majority of feminism and listing off problems in society that feminists seek to rectify. Just because their movement focuses on women doesn't mean that they believe women should be superior or that we should all ignore men's problems completely. Look here, it has plenty of links to sources. Also here. And here. And here too.

But the fact is you can't seem to handle the idea of critics of feminism, that's why people view it like a religion

I can handle criticism when it isn't based around false information and assumption. I want to clear up the misconceptions, which I hope I did here.

fem·i·nism ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit noun the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; informalwomen's lib "a longtime advocate of feminism" This is the definition of feminism. Therefore, it's technically an egalitarian movement. As such, the people that so many tend to associate with feminism aren't actually feminists.

Are you aware that a dictionary doesn't stop a word from being corrupted? Words change, like the word gay was originally not a name of homosexuals, but it changed. If you're naive to think that feminism is incorruptible then I think a debate is meaningless

fem·i·nism ˈfeməˌnizəm/Submit noun the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. synonyms: the women's movement, the feminist movement, women's liberation, female emancipation, women's rights; informalwomen's lib "a longtime advocate of feminism" This is the definition of feminism. Therefore, it's technically an egalitarian movement. As such, the people that so many tend to associate with feminism aren't actually feminists.

Are you aware that a dictionary doesn't stop a word from being corrupted? Words change, like the word gay was originally not a name of homosexuals, but it changed. If you're naive to think that feminism is incorruptible then I think a debate is meaningless

"Incorruptible" I'm not talking about a movement, I'm talking about a definition. As far as I'm concerned, actual feminism is just egalitarianism under a (quite badly chosen) name. I would write out a long explanation of this, but instead, I'll refer you to the list that was already posted in this thread. Again, because you didn't seem to understand it the first time.

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But they aren't. There are certainly some problems, and these are amplified by the huge echo chamber of tumblr. There are two main problematic subsections of feminism, which are made worse, echo chambers and all that, the PC SJWs and the RadFems. They are both on opposite sides of every issue, except "Rape is Bad". I have spent far too much time trying to understand the opinions of both, but mostly to my despair. SJWs Believe that women should all be sluts, because the patriarchy expects women to be chaste Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle.RadFems Believe that women should all be celebate lesbians, because the patriarchy expects women to have sex with men SJWs Believe that gender nonbinary folks™ are the best thing ever, and is a good form of rebellion against the patriarchy Decent Feminists Believe that transgender people should be treated decently, and receive any medical help necessary RadFems Believe that MtF transsexuals are rapists and FtM transsexuals are trying to get male privilege SJWs Believe that porn is good as long as it includes, without fetishisation, fat people, conventionally unattractive people, genderqueer people, disabled people, etc. etc. Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle. RadFems Believe that porn is men possessing women SJWs Believe that sex work is good, as long as it is run by women, and it includes, without fetishisation, etc. etc. Decent Feminists Believe that people should be able to choose their lifestyle. RadFems Believe that sex work is rape

Before I leave this thread completely (Because I already have enough youtube comments in my life), I'll leave you with my opinion on Anita: Good intentions, absolutely terrible at asserting them. She makes good points sometimes, but immediately after those she says "And this female character only exists to cause a problem for the player to fix!" when the character being female is purely due to an RNG. She's also way, way too focused on her "Tropes Against Women" series. Yeah, we know that there are representation problems, how about you go help out people that are non-fictional?

Official government surveys showed that women commit a great amount of domestic abuse, also there are official surveys that show that women specifically mothers hold the majority in abuse against children, but of course feminists never talk about that because it undermines their propaganda of making women look superior to men. I care about men's rights otherwise I would be a white knight believing everything that the feminist movement told me. I fully support father's rights and have plenty of proof of how terrible the custody courts are and how divorce and child support can literally take away all of a man's money and not be allowed to see his kids.

Look guy, all you're doing is inaccurately defining the majority of feminism and listing off problems in society that feminists seek to rectify. Just because their movement focuses on women doesn't mean that they believe women should be superior or that we should all ignore men's problems completely. Look here, it has plenty of links to sources. Also here. And here. And here too.

But the fact is you can't seem to handle the idea of critics of feminism, that's why people view it like a religion

I can handle criticism when it isn't based around false information and assumption. I want to clear up the misconceptions, which I hope I did here.

my criticisms are true and all of the hateful things that MRA about are words that feminists have said. As I said I am going keep exposing the movement for what it is and people are waking up. More and more people are abandoning feminism and joining men's rights. We are fairly diverse.

Official government surveys showed that women commit a great amount of domestic abuse, also there are official surveys that show that women specifically mothers hold the majority in abuse against children, but of course feminists never talk about that because it undermines their propaganda of making women look superior to men. I care about men's rights otherwise I would be a white knight believing everything that the feminist movement told me. I fully support father's rights and have plenty of proof of how terrible the custody courts are and how divorce and child support can literally take away all of a man's money and not be allowed to see his kids.

Look guy, all you're doing is inaccurately defining the majority of feminism and listing off problems in society that feminists seek to rectify. Just because their movement focuses on women doesn't mean that they believe women should be superior or that we should all ignore men's problems completely. Look here, it has plenty of links to sources. Also here. And here. And here too.

But the fact is you can't seem to handle the idea of critics of feminism, that's why people view it like a religion

I can handle criticism when it isn't based around false information and assumption. I want to clear up the misconceptions, which I hope I did here.

my criticisms are true and all of the hateful things that MRA about are words that feminists have said. As I said I am going keep exposing the movement for what it is and people are waking up. More and more people are abandoning feminism and joining men's rights. We are fairly diverse.

Very diverse. Listen. If you really want to say that droves of people are becoming MRAs, why? What about Men's Rights Activism is superior to feminism? I've already proven that feminism helps people of every gender, class and race. The only people I can imagine who would consider being against feminism would be people who know nothing about feminism at all. If you really want to go down the "MRAs vs. Feminism" road: Give me a sales pitch for Men's Rights Activism without mentioning feminism. Assume I'm a prospective activist, but I'm on the fence about the two movements. If the only thing your version of the Men's Rights Movement has going for it is that it's not feminism--despite having pretty much the same goals--what's the point? What do MRAs do or try to do for men of color? LGBTQ men? Abused men? Male victims of sexual violence? Male victims of abuse? If feminism helps all of these groups, what is the point of MRAs struggling against it? Aren't they only hindering men?

Official government surveys showed that women commit a great amount of domestic abuse, also there are official surveys that show that women specifically mothers hold the majority in abuse against children, but of course feminists never talk about that because it undermines their propaganda of making women look superior to men. I care about men's rights otherwise I would be a white knight believing everything that the feminist movement told me. I fully support father's rights and have plenty of proof of how terrible the custody courts are and how divorce and child support can literally take away all of a man's money and not be allowed to see his kids.

Look guy, all you're doing is inaccurately defining the majority of feminism and listing off problems in society that feminists seek to rectify. Just because their movement focuses on women doesn't mean that they believe women should be superior or that we should all ignore men's problems completely. Look here, it has plenty of links to sources. Also here. And here. And here too.

But the fact is you can't seem to handle the idea of critics of feminism, that's why people view it like a religion

I can handle criticism when it isn't based around false information and assumption. I want to clear up the misconceptions, which I hope I did here.

my criticisms are true and all of the hateful things that MRA about are words that feminists have said. As I said I am going keep exposing the movement for what it is and people are waking up. More and more people are abandoning feminism and joining men's rights. We are fairly diverse.

Very diverse. Listen. If you really want to say that droves of people are becoming MRAs, why? What about Men's Rights Activism is superior to feminism? I've already proven that feminism helps people of every gender, class and race. The only people I can imagine who would consider being against feminism would be people who know nothing about feminism at all. If you really want to go down the "MRAs vs. Feminism" road: Give me a sales pitch for Men's Rights Activism without mentioning feminism. Assume I'm a prospective activist, but I'm on the fence about the two movements. If the only thing your version of the Men's Rights Movement has going for it is that it's not feminism--despite having pretty much the same goals--what's the point? What do MRAs do or try to do for men of color? LGBTQ men? Abused men? Male victims of sexual violence? Male victims of abuse? If feminism helps all of these groups, what is the point of MRAs struggling against it? Aren't they only hindering men?

Men's Rights fights for the rights of fathers, and are against institutionalized sexism against such as the belief that it is okay and sometimes funny for a woman to hit a man, we are also against the sexist view of males being viewed as the sole contributor of abuse and violence domestically. We are for equal sentencing and are against the fact that women get easier training in military to make it easier for more women to join the marines. We support the rights of homosexuals and also are regularly exposing female sex predators and abusive celebrities. MRA are also against the fact that women don't have to sign up for selective services to get the right to vote but men have to. We are also against the fact false sexual assault allegations are swept under the rug. There you go I didn't mention feminism once.

Official government surveys showed that women commit a great amount of domestic abuse, also there are official surveys that show that women specifically mothers hold the majority in abuse against children, but of course feminists never talk about that because it undermines their propaganda of making women look superior to men. I care about men's rights otherwise I would be a white knight believing everything that the feminist movement told me. I fully support father's rights and have plenty of proof of how terrible the custody courts are and how divorce and child support can literally take away all of a man's money and not be allowed to see his kids.

Look guy, all you're doing is inaccurately defining the majority of feminism and listing off problems in society that feminists seek to rectify. Just because their movement focuses on women doesn't mean that they believe women should be superior or that we should all ignore men's problems completely. Look here, it has plenty of links to sources. Also here. And here. And here too.

But the fact is you can't seem to handle the idea of critics of feminism, that's why people view it like a religion

I can handle criticism when it isn't based around false information and assumption. I want to clear up the misconceptions, which I hope I did here.

my criticisms are true and all of the hateful things that MRA about are words that feminists have said. As I said I am going keep exposing the movement for what it is and people are waking up. More and more people are abandoning feminism and joining men's rights. We are fairly diverse.

Very diverse. Listen. If you really want to say that droves of people are becoming MRAs, why? What about Men's Rights Activism is superior to feminism? I've already proven that feminism helps people of every gender, class and race. The only people I can imagine who would consider being against feminism would be people who know nothing about feminism at all. If you really want to go down the "MRAs vs. Feminism" road: Give me a sales pitch for Men's Rights Activism without mentioning feminism. Assume I'm a prospective activist, but I'm on the fence about the two movements. If the only thing your version of the Men's Rights Movement has going for it is that it's not feminism--despite having pretty much the same goals--what's the point? What do MRAs do or try to do for men of color? LGBTQ men? Abused men? Male victims of sexual violence? Male victims of abuse? If feminism helps all of these groups, what is the point of MRAs struggling against it? Aren't they only hindering men?

Men's Rights fights for the rights of fathers, and are against institutionalized sexism against such as the belief that it is okay and sometimes funny for a woman to hit a man, we are also against the sexist view of males being viewed as the sole contributor of abuse and violence domestically. We are for equal sentencing and are against the fact that women get easier training in military to make it easier for more women to join the marines. We support the rights of homosexuals and also are regularly exposing female sex predators and abusive celebrities. MRA are also against the fact that women don't have to sign up for selective services to get the right to vote but men have to. We are also against the fact false sexual assault allegations are swept under the rug. There you go I didn't mention feminism once.

That's what feminism already does. Why do we have to fight one another?

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

Feminism has about as much place in videos games as religion does in politics, they will force their ideologies on other people

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

Feminism has about as much place in videos games as religion does in politics, they will force their ideologies on other people

There is a big difference between feminism in video games, and religion in politics: feminism has reliable data to back it up. The problem with Anita is that she ignores actual problems with representation of women in video games and with misogyny in the industry, in favour of complaining about Bayonetta being "Pornographic" and "Sexual Objectification", or about "Rewarding violence against women" in Hitman - neither of which has any evidence, and both of which couldn't be further from the truth without the possibility not presenting itself.

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

Feminism has about as much place in videos games as religion does in politics, they will force their ideologies on other people

There is a big difference between feminism in video games, and religion in politics: feminism has reliable data to back it up. The problem with Anita is that she ignores actual problems with representation of women in video games and with misogyny in the industry, in favour of complaining about Bayonetta being "Pornographic" and "Sexual Objectification", or about "Rewarding violence against women" in Hitman - neither of which has any evidence, and both of which couldn't be further from the truth without the possibility not presenting itself.

There is no evidence of misogyny in the industry, you have no proof

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

Feminism has about as much place in videos games as religion does in politics, they will force their ideologies on other people

There is a big difference between feminism in video games, and religion in politics: feminism has reliable data to back it up. The problem with Anita is that she ignores actual problems with representation of women in video games and with misogyny in the industry, in favour of complaining about Bayonetta being "Pornographic" and "Sexual Objectification", or about "Rewarding violence against women" in Hitman - neither of which has any evidence, and both of which couldn't be further from the truth without the possibility not presenting itself.

There is no evidence of misogyny in the industry, you have no proof

OK. I cannot find any in the industry, but I can find plenty in the community. Just look up Cross Assault. Just "Cross Assault"

I have to disagree, Anita Sarkessian is living proof about how feminists will lie to promote their ideology.

Anita Sarkeesian is just in over her head, not a liar. It would be much better for everyone involved if the face of feminism in videogames where an actual gamer.

The pay gap is a lie and has been debunked tons of times. As a working man I can tell you that women have it easier at work than men, they get better hours and do less work and still get paid just as much as a man and sometimes even more.

The pay gap is not a lie, it is a real problem, but the problem is that girls are not encouraged to aim as high as boys. This means, that in a misguided attempt to fix the pay gap, the wages of women workers is raised, which fixes the problem, but in the least fair way possible.

Women greatly contribute to domestic violence and yet the face of domestic violence is a straight male.

Domestic abuse, not domestic violence. Two different things, and because of inherent physiological differences, women abusers are less likely to use violence.

Women still greatly contribute to both domestic violence and abuse. Stop spreading the lies about only men can be violent or abusive, it's freaking stupid. Women get less sentencing for crimes compared to men and feminists never complain about that, if you ever try to criticize feminism you're bullied into believing it like a religion. It impossible to have a clean debate with a feminist without them blowing their tops The pay gap is bullshit because women CHOOSE to not work the harder and more dirty jobs that men which normally pays more. Again whenever there is a try for proper equality feminists bitch about the unfairness of women doing extra work. If you honestly think that Anita Sarkessian has any good points then I also suspect that you believe that video games encourage violence. Anita lied and is a con artist.

I literally just said that women can be abusive. I did say they could be violent, but not as violent as men are. Women can be just as abusive as men can, but not often as violent. I said that abusive women usually use non-violent forms of abuse. The pay gap is because women are not encouraged to choose the more high-paying jobs. (These are usually less dirty, being office jobs and all). If we encouraged the same sort of ambition in women as we do in men, the pay gap will naturally close. I never said that Anita Sarkessian has any good points, I just said that she is not a liar, merely an idiot. We should have an actual gamer as the face of feminism in videogames.

Feminism has about as much place in videos games as religion does in politics, they will force their ideologies on other people

There is a big difference between feminism in video games, and religion in politics: feminism has reliable data to back it up. The problem with Anita is that she ignores actual problems with representation of women in video games and with misogyny in the industry, in favour of complaining about Bayonetta being "Pornographic" and "Sexual Objectification", or about "Rewarding violence against women" in Hitman - neither of which has any evidence, and both of which couldn't be further from the truth without the possibility not presenting itself.

There is no evidence of misogyny in the industry, you have no proof

OK. I cannot find any in the industry, but I can find plenty in the community. Just look up Cross Assault. Just "Cross Assault"

Dude it's like the internet, you can find tons of racist stuff on the internet and people say racial slurs over a game of halo. GET OVER IT, there's nothing you can do about people saying things, do you actually believe that people should be policed on what they say? That's like policing sexuality, just because someone does something that you don't like then why waste your time. I focus on the aspects of feminism that actually effect people such as rape cases turning into witch hunts, not some idiot who said stupid things over the internet. It's no different than the idiocy that is sexual objectification argument, are you that emotionally fragile that what some random person on the internet says makes you so upset that you need to go on a social crusade? I'll say it again feminism is a movement that is very confusing and doesn't have its priorities straight. I personally had an encounter with a feminist who used gender stereotypes against men even though feminism was suppose to be about getting rid of gender stereotypes, and I can give many more quotes from iconic feminists using ignorant gender stereotypes. Again your ignorance to the serious problems in the feminist movement and the fact that you seem more inclined to argue with its critics than actually criticizing the extremists makes you sound like the people who allow fascist dictatorships to arise. Anyone who thinks that feminism can't create a fascist state has clearly not properly researched history and doesn't know how far human beings can fall and become evil.

I still find the entire idea of us arguing here pointless. As I said before, if everything said by The Patriarch is true, then Feminism, Men's Rights Activism, and Egalitarianism are all the exact same thing.

Feminists are so immature and they never own up to their mistakes, seriously debating with a feminist is like debating with a child, it's impossible to debate with them.

Feminists are so immature and they never own up to their mistakes, seriously debating with a feminist is like debating with a child, it's impossible to debate with them.

You say to a feminist.