Has anyone heard from GodOfWar lately? I'm getting lost without them.

@Zmerr He's been gone nine days. Tomorrow just move on without him.

@Apollosarcher Sounds like a plan. If we do lose him as a player, I'd like to pick up the role as Skull Kid to continue the story we had going. Is it alright for me to play more than one character at a time?

So are we just ignoring the fact that Shadow Link is supposed to be neutral??? I understand you wanting him to not be able to enter the Hero's Abode(or whatever we call it), but Ganondorf "accidentally" got the Triforce of power due to Demise, so wouldn't Shadow Link's connection to the Goddesses be enough to "accidentally" be granted access to that place due to him now having the skills of the Hero of Memories?

@JDizzle383 Everything I said as Navi was cannon. I made a couple of leaps, I linked Dark Link the final boss of Zelda II and Shadow Link making them one entity and I said that Vaati's Dark Mirror and the Mirror of Twilight were the same artifact but everything else that I wrote was cannon. According to Hyrule Historia:

The dark mirror created an army of Shadow Links from the resentment and evil thoughts of the defeated Ganondorf from Twilight Princess. The mirror emits a new Shadow Link every time Links kill him, causing the two to meet numerous times through the game.

As I claimed that Shadow Link was created prior to that game I changed it to Vaati corrupting Shadow Link with the resentment and evil thoughts of the defeated Ganondorf but regardless it is a fact that that is a part of who Shadow Link is.

It doesn't mean your character has to like it or has to accept it. Since I had it so he was originally a misguided agent of the goddess it could very easily be that Shadow Link is fighting against the inherent evil inside him. Whatever you want to do with it that's up to you but it doesn't change the fact that I am not the one who wrote Shadow Link in that light, Nintendo was. You can put any sort of spin you want onto it but you still have to abide by the source material.

Since he was created from Zelda II Link it would I suppose make sense that he could view the realm of heroes but I don't think he would be able to speak. For the record Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power in Twilight Princess because of temporal bleed from the other timeline in which he already had it not because of an accident.

I didn't rewrite what he said to make him seem like a "murderous lunatic" I rewrote his speech to make him seem a little more elegant. The guy is like fifty thousand years old at least, I sort of thought having him use phrases like 'fuck off' and 'gave you the middle finger too' seemed a little juvenile for a being so old and powerful. I never changed the intention behind anything he said. Everything you wrote him saying he still said and he responded to Navi the exact same way, I just rewrote his speech so he sounded a little less like a fourteen year old whose just learned what swearing is. He still said and did everything exactly as you wrote him saying and doing everything in the collab.

@JDizzle383 Shadow Link has been known to be evil. It's a precaution.

So since he is evil in the source material, I can't change him at all?
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@JDizzle383 No I'm not saying that at all. You can do what you want with him. I'm just saying not to expect anyone to take him as neutral upon first meeting him.

So since he is evil in the source material, I can't change him at all?
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That's not what I said. I said in the source material he has certain qualities and tendencies which were written in as part of his backstory that do make him appear evil. That doesn't mean your Shadow Link has to stay that way but it does mean it has to be a part of his character. You'd already demonstrated that he wants to change, you've also make him seem a bit unstable and prone to mood swings. You could easily alter that to be him fighting with his own inherent nature as a creature of the Shadows. There are certain things that are set in stone in the Zelda universe but you can interpret them in a multitude of different ways. I think it's part of what makes it such a captivating series.

In the Four Swords manga at the last second Dark Link turns against Vaati and shatters the Dark Mirror which is what leads Link to being able to defeat the Wind Sorcerer even though it ends Shadow Link's life. That's not canon but it does mean that he doesn't necessarily have to be the bad guy. However he does have a certain alignment that has to be taken into account when writing him.

You have to use the source material but you don't have to be limited by it. Look at my Navi, her history contains all that is canon about Navi in Ocarina of Time but I've taken it further. She's evolved and changed, she's angry, she's bitter, she's tortured and reckless. Does that sound like the "Hey! Listen!" Fairy from Ocarina of Time. If you really want to be apart of this you'll find ways to make the lore work for you rather than being chained by it.

But if one misunderstanding about your character is enough to make you want to quick then in the long run we're probably better off without you.

@JDizzle383 I've said before that's fine if he travels their.

I am saying that writing him eloquently was not what I intended. In EVERY Zelda game I played, Shadow Link seemed to act the age of an upset version of his counterpart. in that case, he was only a kokiri child at the time he bumped into Navi, or at the most the young inexperienced "Just became an adult" Link of OoT, so he would act like a teenager in that case. I probably should have made that clearer.

Also, at this point he is fed up with being Ganondorf and Vaati's "Lap-dog" so to speak, and yes, I was going to do something with proximity to Ganondorf or Ghirahim or Vaati making him more volatile and prone to "No, GET OUT OF MY HEAD! I WON'T KILL HIM!" episodes.

Another note on a more apologetic scale, I have bipolar, so my previous post saying I would quit was a rash choice of words. and I apologize.

I rewrote him a little more eloquently because I thought since it's been at least ten thousand years maybe more he's likely matured some. Shadow Link changes with every new Hero that is called but I didn't think that should be all that changed him. I figured he would learn as much from time as from experiencing what it was to be each of the new heroes. Part of that I thought would be less juvenile speech, after all after a couple millennium you expect he might grow up. I was not trying to change the trajectory of the character or how her personality was received by everyone else in the RP. I probably should have asked. For not consulting you first I am sorry.

Okay, I have a post written up, but to avoid another confusing "I didn't know this" situation, is there a way one of you could look over it without me actually posting it?

@JDizzle383 PM it to me or maybe Seraphs and we could look it over.

Or both of us would work.

I totally didn't realize I was the co-GM till like ten seconds ago.

Am I free to post as both Skull Kid and the Happy Mask Salesman? I don't want to get too far behind.

@Zmerr Yes.

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Alright if you're resolute then we do actually have to delve into the logistics of how Ravio ends up in Hyrule. Of course we could make up some dimension jumping artifact or something but I think the best way to do it would be to have Lorule's Triforce send Ravio to Hyrule. Like how the Triforce sends Link to Holodrum and Labrynna in the Oracle games. That way Lorule can remain on the sidelines of the plot while Ravio is still included.

And this is a reincarnation of Ravio as it has been a very long time since A Link Between Worlds took place compared to the present day RP.

@Apollosarcher

Okay I like the idea about the Triforce lets keep that and I like the reincarnation thing so I agree with that anything else?

Also talking to Apollo and you Seraph

@Blackmist16 You're applying for Ravio, right? We should have the two purple-clad merchants run into each other. That would be hilarious XD

@Zmerr

Lol that would be hilarious.