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So we're doing a Gale x Prim (older) and Katniss x Haymitch story post-Mockingjay.

I'll be playing Gale and Katniss, probably Peeta unless we want to share him.

We wanted to do something where Prim doesn't die, where everyone has to come together and rebuild the nation after the Capital falls. In terms of who is alive and who isn't (or is missing), we need to settle that, as well as where everyone wants to go. I know Katniss and Prim will want to remain close to one another, I know Gale will want to also stick with her. In terms of people such as CInna and Effie, I know we assume Cinna to be dead, as well as Effie. Did we want to confirm them or have them still MIA?

Instead we'll be doing something after the first book with Peeta's leg injury still having occurred. We're up'ing Prim's age so she'll be around 15 or 16 or whatever you decide. Gale and Katniss' ages stay as is, as does Haymitch and Peeta. We're going to start after everyone has moved into their new homes (Katniss and Peeta's families etc) and probably just as the Quarter Quell rules are announced. Since Katniss and Peeta still had to tour, they had to keep up their charade for Snow's sake but Katniss has made it clear she doesn't really feel the same way for Peeta, having given it some thought. The rules for the Third Quarter Quell will be the following:

Four tributes will be reaped.
Two of which will be previous victors.
The other two will be selected at random.

It will take place in a dynamic arena with a small town at the center. A marshy area, grassy field and rocky cliffs would be surrounding it. Different plagues would happen at different intervals with the cornucopia in the town.

Town, few buildings, some cots inside the homes, dusty, fragmented, curved cornucopia in the middle, on top is a large old radio tower.

Marsh, depth unknown, possible to have freak whirlpools, poisonous things, cold, maybe toxic fog.

Field, possible new tracker jackers that attack moving things, wide, no cover, tall grass, could be home to random fires.

Cliffs, series of caverns and rock formations, could have rock slides or flash floods, deep hidden crevices, dark caves.



Peeta would devise a plan with Finnick and Cinna and the others to rescue Katniss, Gale, Prim and Haymitch (as well as established alliances) and take then to District 11 to hide out, and possibly move from district to district. This plan doesn't work out as Snow finds out and kidnaps Peeta and several other friends before the diversion and transport can be executed. This leaves the main four in the wilderness and on their own to try and make it to another district. Prim and Gale know the general plan, as well as Finnick and Johanna since Haymitch and Katniss would try to mess with it or might give something away with Snow watching.

At the start of the Games, Haymitch/Katniss would run off and end up getting lost from Gale/Prim. Both teams would be alone together for 3 days. Then Finnick/Wiress would find Haymitch/Katniss and Johanna/Beetee would find Gale/Prim and for 2 days, the four would survive together. Then all eight would come together for the final 2 days as the plan happens. They would all start out a few blocks from the center and in a week, they would need to rejoin in the middle where the explosion would take place after securing the right supplies from various sponsor's and money thanks to Peeta and the others on the outside.
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Really sorry about the wait! I promise that I'm around way more frequently than this last week!

We could definitely share Peeta. I see him being an as needed character until we decide when to kill him.

I think we could maybe set the beginning of the story in 2 since Gale was there anyway, if I'm remembering Mockingjay correctly, or we could have them start off in the Capitol? Maybe some of our vital characters are injured (katniss?), and the Capitol still has the best medicine and such. As for who is alive, dead and missing, I think we could have Effie and Cinna be presumed dead, and then maybe later they could discover them alive. Maybe Cinna has been hijacked like Peeta had been, so there will be some nursing him back to health and such?
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No worries. ^^;

I really should re-read Mockingjay, it's on the shelf above me currently. Ah, I'm so lazy. If we kept them in the Capitol (yeah I think everything was there, advancing through carefully) as the dust settled, we'd still need to figure out if we want the ending to change or not. Should both Snow and Coin die? Then there's Plutarch. If we want things to be less frantic, one should stay alive for the sake of rebuilding right? Does that make sense?
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I also feel like I should re-read it, haha.

Yeah, that makes total sense. I feel like we could alter the ending to our advantage depending on what we want to do. Wasn't Snow sick? I wouldn't mind us keeping him around because he was, weirdly enough, one of my favorite characters, and he never did lie to Katniss. Maybe he wouldn't lie to Prim and Gale as well if she's missing, or incapacitated to a point? Coin, we could keep alive. Maybe she fled back to 13 where she's got some kind of plan to take control of Panem? These are just ideas off the top of my head, we don't have to use them.
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If anything, the last chapter or two would help. ^^;

I think Snow was sick or something. I don't remember. I'm fine with keeping him around, he's a wild card. If he is sick, it could make him have a change of heart. I think Coin just used Katniss, same with the other guy. If anything, Snow was honest but still a dick. Better than nothing I guess. If we wanted to keep Coin as an antagonist for future purposes, I'm coo with that. We need to figure out where everyone is at the start of the story. I assume most of the gang would be in the Capitol? Coin could have captured Effie, Cinna, Peeta and some others for leverage? Hence they're MIA now? Assumed dead?
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I'll dig out my copy and refresh myself on it :)

I agree with the bit about Snow having a change of heart, although I don't think it's going to be too drastic and I think that whatever is killing him, he would only agree to change if there was something in it for him, like medicine or maybe mercy? Coin would probably take the people that Katniss cared about, although she obviously didn't get Prim, Peeta and Gale. I can't remember what happened to her mother in canon, but maybe Coin took her too? And maybe Coin escaped the Capitol and the resistance with some wounds, just to put her at some sort of disadvantage. Like, maybe her injuries just make her extra nuts because she's in a weakened state and knows she can't keep hostages forever? I definitely think Coin should be our main antagonist and that she should come into play after one or two smaller conflicts, like rebuilding and recovering from everything. And starting them off in the Capitol is good with me.
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Katniss' mother? I don't recall much about her, never cared for her so I guess that info never stuck in my mind. If Coin takes her, that's fine too, though it can't be too many or it might be a bit much to make the claim I think.

Coin should be saved, or making her move slowly, with everything still in shambles, I don't see anything too big happening for a while. If we wanted Coin to have a bit more a psychotic rage, that's fine with me, makes things more fun.

Other than that, I am sure normal people would resist change and the whole idea of spreading wealth and not using people like slaves. So there is going to be a fair amount of conflict anywhere we look.
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True. I was just trying to give us some more options if we needed them.

I agree with what you said about Coin, and yeah, making her more crazy is good with me too. Yes to conflict on both sides as well. It seems like we have a fair amount of things going on to start us off. Did you want to do some character sheets, or not bother because we already know what everyone looks like?
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I don't think we'll need sheets for canons in this case. I'm about ready to start. Sorry about the delay, an essay was dropped on me and I didn't have a lot of time so I couldn't log on and risk getting distracted and then some of my RPs fell apart and it just made me even more out of sorts when it came to writing. Urgh.
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Here we are again :3

Do we still feed good about Gale/older!Prim and Katniss/Haymitch? I had a brief thought forever ago about Prim being the one in the games from the beginning, but I don't know how much that would change. Do you have anything you want to change, or just something new you want to add?
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Turns out I am still subscribed! Guess I overlooked it. Huh.

The more I look over our ideas, the more I think we may want to approach it a bit differently. We might be biting off a lot if we're changing so much about the events. Would you be okay rehashing things a little? I think the events of Mockingjay weren't very fresh in our minds and we were guessing as to what the aftermath might be but I'm thinking it might easier if we went for a different angle.

You suggested Prim being in the games. What if we changed how the Quarter Quell was done? What if we had a large reap which would include past victors but also another set. So we could have Prim, Gale, Katniss and Haymitch in the games with Peeta acting as the mentor to them? Or would that not work for you?
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I totally agree. I read over what we already had and it seemed really...large. Still fun, but just a lot to do. Down the road, we could hopefully incorporate some of our previous ideas.

I like that. What specifics set this other set apart? The first thought that comes to mind is a smaller pool of people who have a high volume of reaping entries from tessera, that could easily explain how Gale was selected. I think Peeta acting as a mentor is a great idea because Katniss has always wanted to keep him safe. Haymitch could also volunteer in place of Peeta. That just leaves Prim.
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I figured if four people would be selected per district, it would just include victors (who say, couldn't volunteer for someone) and everyone else as usual, and by poor luck, I would just assume Prim and Gale get randomly selected, as would Katniss and Haymitch? Would that make sense? Or would we make a rule that past victors must re-enter but along with them, a close friend or family member (of age) would also be selected? Haymitch doesn't have anyone but Katniss has Gale and Prim, whereas I think Peeta wouldn't have anyone either?
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No, that makes sense and is nice and simple. Haymitch would probably feel like it was a throwback to his games just because it was double the tributes. It's going to be pretty miserable for him in terms of emotions.

We'll be designing an arena then, right? :3 and possibly devising our own escape plan for them? I wouldn't mind using the force field canon though.
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I think a new arena would be cool. The idea of the clock was cool. I think we could some up with something on our own. Do we want something sort of sci-fi city or rustic with woods?

In terms of them escaping, we can probably edit when it happens or if it needs to be prolonged. Considering Haymitch was in on it and now he's in the games, it might need to be pushed back a little? Do you think Snow would brief district 1/2 on maybe trying to befriend "Team District 12" and maybe try to infiltrate their circle? Maybe?
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I think we could do a little bit of both. I don't think it should be entirely wooded because Katniss just did that, and the Quarter Quell needs to be big and impressive anyway. I had a pretty fun idea for a swamp arena a while ago that I never got to use. And I was also toying around with the idea of an asylum, or possibly a mine shaft, just something where everyone is trapped inside, along with already being trapped in the arena.

I would think Haymitch would know most of the plan, but Peeta would know everything and it would be up to Haymitch to really guide everything along. I think it might go a little faster since he knows all the other victors, and will be able to get people on their side easily. It's not just the hurdles with Katniss anymore. Snow sending someone to infiltrate would be fun to play with too.
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If we wanted the arena to be big, we could have a small desolate town, a marsh/swamp, a rocky cavern and a maybe some sort of grassy field with some trees. So maybe the town could have snowfall, the marsh/swamp could be rainy and muddy, the rocky area could be dry and hot and the meadow could have beasts and bugs? A bit of a mix of challenges? I figure maybe the town in the middle with a cornucopia and the other stuff around it in thirds?

I think if Haymitch got picked, he might have to change strategies, if he knew about the plot, it might tip off Snow when they're watching, he may need to trust Peeta or someone like Finnick or Johanna to handle things? I think a lot of time should be spent in the arena before the breakout happens. Even then, I'm not glued to district 13, we could always have some interception happen where the four (or any others we want) end up someplace else entirely? We'd still need Peeta to get snagged by Snow I think, perhaps Effie and Cinna too?

Just thinking aloud. >_>
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That's a great idea. With smaller sections of arena we could still incorporate the clock. Maybe the town could look a little like 12 just to mess with them that much more, because Snow is aiming to hurt Katniss?

That's true. I imagine Haymitch isn't going to be in the best state of mind, so maybe Peeta and the rest figure the less he knows the better. It might be a good idea for either Gale or Prim to know the most, or at least what Johanna and Finnick know. Maybe they figure having all of them in the dark leaves too much to chance. I'm not crazy about 13 myself, tbh. I mean, I like the idea of it, but it just seems so stagnant. While I was reading the books I just thought of it as one big, grey, blob and everyone was bored. So I would be very open to them going somewhere else. Maybe the Wilds, or 11? They feel pretty strongly about the revolution.

I could see Snow sending someone for Peeta personally. Maybe things don't go the way they should on his end and Plutarch ends up having to leave without him?

I'm thinking out loud as well, so if you don't like any of these ideas, just say so! :3
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Oh look THG and CF are both on tv, nice lil marathon!

Ahem.

I was thinking of doing a mock-clock with less "phases" so we could try and do something sort of like that.

Since Gale and Prim would be outsiders so to speak, (Katniss would surely have a chip on her shoulder, feeling the need to protect Gale and Prim and deal with Haymitch's sobriety) which would be good if they knew the plan rather than Haymitch and or Katniss. Gale is rather smart, and so is Prim so we could have them both involved with Finnick and Johanna and the others, since they seem less likely to conspire anyway.

I don't mind 13 but I don't see it being useful if we're making our own choices. We could go there later on but I do think going into the wild and or going through other districts and hiding out, might be more realistic. And yeah, Snow nabbing Peeta for his failed attempt would surely make Snow upset. Did we want to involve Pluturch? Or whatever his name is. I already like the idea of losing Coin since that was kind of confusing as it is/was...
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Oh, I must have missed them D: It's been a while since I've seen either.

I like that. I could see Katniss's stubbornness really interfering with the plan at some point and Prim and Gale getting frustrated with her, and Haymitch as well. Maybe Haymitch could even become suspicious of Gale and Prim in the later parts of our arena scenes.

I'd rather have them in the wilds to start off with as well. I think if we really have to later on, we could involve 13, but it's a hard setting for me to work with. I never really found myself connecting with it while I read Mockingjay. We could involve him, maybe he's the reason our group eventually moves on from the wilds to 13.
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