[OOC] Heroes of Beacon - the Next Chapter

[Ookawa]

@Prince of Seraphs Do you want a fairy tale or a fable? Because those two things are two different types of stories. I know this because both were invented in Germany, I live in Germany and my mother teaches German as a subject. xD

[HereComesTheSnow]

wait where are you from again I didn't catch that

[Lady Seraphina]

If we're getting clinical I believe fables have a more structured and poetical writing style but past that their is very little difference between them and fairy tales. If you want me to choose I'll say write a fairy tale but I don't believe there is much difference.

Also I believe the earliest written fables date back to Greece in 550 BC but as a style of story telling that was propagated by oral tradition it is more than likely that they are older than that.

[Flood]

A fable typically tells a story about common flaws such as pride or greed. A fairy tale features people/creatures fighting "evil" with magic or practical solutions. At the end of a fairy tale positive characters are rewarded for their good actions while negative characters are punished for their bad deeds. The moral implications can be stated by the author or readers may draw their own conclusions. In a fable the moral of the story is either told by a character or by the author. If you want good examples of fables try Aesop's Fables. I hope this helps.

[Ookawa]

If we're getting clinical I believe fables have a more structured and poetical writing style but past that their is very little difference between them and fairy tales. If you want me to choose I'll say write a fairy tale but I don't believe there is much difference.

Also I believe the earliest written fables date back to Greece in 550 BC but as a style of story telling that was propagated by oral tradition it is more than likely that they are older than that.

@Prince of Seraphs

Yes, but the modern Fable was popularized by Germans at the start of the 19th century during the romantic-period, as were the so called "Volksmärchen", literally "people's fairy tales", like Rapunzel and the Golden Goose and Red Riding Hood, called "Rotkäppchen" here.
Mostly because of the desire for an identity as a nation, as Germany was divided up into hundreds of smaller states where the people felt they all should belong together in one whole country.

Fables are different from fairy tales in a whole matter of ways.
This describes it pretty accurately for a website in English. German websites are a lot more in-depth.

differencebetween.com/difference-betwe..

As you can see the whole "moral" thing is not a fairy tale thing, but belongs to the fable. Fairy tales are more or less "epic adventures with magic and stuff". Fairy tales mostly have the conflict of good vs evil, whereas fables try to teach morals like "do not steal" or "do not lie" etc.
Yeeeah and fables have talking animals and plants which always have the same character, the lion as the king, the raven as the misleading character and the magpie as the thief.

I think what you want for this contest is a combination of both, right? The "epic" story of a fairy tale, without magic and magical creatures, but with a moral to the story?

P.S.: Sorry for going on a nerd rant here, but as a German citizen, I feel it is my duty to protect my cultural identity. That's basically all my country has left.

[Lucius Cypher]

Don't cha know? Culture is the whole reason wars are fought. ain't no one got time fer dat.

*Goes and cry in a corner cause he doesn't know about his own culture anyways*

[MULTI_MEDIA_MAN]

Believe I've said it before, but it says a lot that I only know about my culture because of a fucking VN.

I'M IRISH.

Damn you, England and America, and your systematic erasure of all that is good of my people....

[HereComesTheSnow]

what happened to no national pride

ooooooh

gottem

[Crimmy]

I'll just go shoot down the sun.

[KabenSaal]

Yes! We already established that Pyro is allowed 0 pride. It is illegal! Nitch ein gross achtung.

[Guess Who]

Believe I've said it before, but it says a lot that I only know about my culture because of a fucking VN.

I'M IRISH.

Damn you, England and America, and your systematic erasure of all that is good of my people....

@MULTI_MEDIA_MAN

[HereComesTheSnow]

tl note

achtung means stop

[Ookawa]

tl note

achtung means stop

@HereComesTheSnow

No, it doesn't.

It means "Be careful" or "attention!", most of the times.

[KabenSaal]

tl note

achtung means stop

@HereComesTheSnow

Just according to keikaku.

(Keikaku means plan)

But yea, I just threw in some german words I knew, for the fun of it.

[Ookawa]

<Snipped quote by HereComesTheSnow>

Just according to keikaku.

(Keikaku means plan)

But yea, I just threw in some german words I knew, for the fun of it.

@KabenSaal

By the way, what you wrote was total gibberish.
If I'd transcribe what you said into English, acknowledging the order of the words you put, because that'd make a tiny bit of sense in English, but not in German, I'd say it this way:

"Not a big attention/respect/consideration"

which makes a tad bit of sense in English, but only because the words are in the correct order. If I'd rearranged them to make as much sense in English as they do in German the result would be something like this:

"Big attention not a"

[Lady Seraphina]

Yes, but the modern Fable was popularized by Germans at the start of the 19th century during the romantic-period, as were the so called "Volksmärchen", literally "people's fairy tales", like Rapunzel and the Golden Goose and Red Riding Hood, called "Rotkäppchen" here.
Mostly because of the desire for an identity as a nation, as Germany was divided up into hundreds of smaller states where the people felt they all should belong together in one whole country.

@PyroDash888

Popularized and invented are two completely different things. Words are important, don't make use of them hastily.

As you can see the whole "moral" thing is not a fairy tale thing, but belongs to the fable. Fairy tales are more or less "epic adventures with magic and stuff". Fairy tales mostly have the conflict of good vs evil, whereas fables try to teach morals like "do not steal" or "do not lie" etc.

Yeeeah and fables have talking animals and plants which always have the same character, the lion as the king, the raven as the misleading character and the magpie as the thief.

@PyroDash888

So what do you call the stories that have fairies, epic adventures, talking animals and a moral?

Fables are different from fairy tales in a whole matter of ways.
This describes it pretty accurately for a website in English. German websites are a lot more in-depth.

Fairy Tales and Fables

@PyroDash888

That websight contradicted itself, according to its own criteria Red Riding Hood is a fable, lacks fairies and magic, lacks an epic journey, has a moral, has talking animals playing iconic parts, yet it uses Red Riding Hood as an example of a Fairy Tale. I will admit that at one point in history Fables and Fairy Tales were different styles of story telling but at this point in time the line between the two has become blurred to the point that the two words can be used interchangeably. Their are classics that use and discard elements of both, perhaps not the originals but a number of adaptations bridge the gap between the two to the point where the gap is virtually non existent. However not wanting to start a war with the nation of Germany I'll answer your question.

It is completely up to you. If you wish to write your definition of a fable you are welcome to, if you wish to write your definition of a fairy tale that is also perfectly valid. If you want to mix elements of both I don't really care. Logistically speaking dust, aura and Grimm could easily take the place of magic so perhaps most of the stories by the broad definitions would be fables. However if you want to include fairy like creatures, that is (depending on your interpretation of fairies) beings that bestow good fortune to the hero, or those that have other worldly powers and use tricks of the tongue and deceptive speak you are more than welcome to do it. I'm sure all of you have read or at least know the classic stories, Red Riding Hood, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Mulan, The Little Mermaid. Take your idea of a fairy tale (OR A FABLE!) and write what you want to, I'll judge them based on how much I enjoyed the stories and in small part how much of a children's tale they were. I'm not going to be judging you on whether you stayed within the lines of Fairy Tale Vs Fable.

Also for those of you that do want to include talking animals you could always convert some of the faunus characters. Like you could have Shiro the White Tiger and Emerald the Cat and Mokuren the Fox if you wanted. Just a suggestion.

[Lugubrious]

Yeesh, Prince. Is this what you do for fun?

[Lady Seraphina]

Yeesh, Prince. Is this what you do for fun?

@Lugubrious

The contests are meant to be fun, not about splitting hairs. I outlined pretty well what I wanted in the prompt (at least I thought so) whether anyone wants to call it a fable or a fairy tale doesn't really concern me.

Might sound a bit cold but it's the truth.

[Ookawa]

...but at this point in time the line between the two has become blurred to the point that the two words can be used interchangeably.

@Prince of Seraphs

No... just no. I have to strongly disagree with you there with all the useless knowledge I have acquired in 13 years of German Elite Schools. It may be the case in the US or in the English language sphere, but there is a strong line of separation between fables and fairy tales in Germany and in the German language.

According to G8 websites (G8 being the current Elite curriculum) the strongest point in which Fables are different from Fairy Tales is, that in Fables, ONLY animals act. There are no humans. All the animals are in place of a human.
In fairy tales there can still be an animal who is talking, but in fairy tales characters always fall into two categories, evil and good. There is no neutral. Of course there can be some kind of moral in a fairy tale, but it is mostly up for interpretation what the moral is. Another striking point is, fairy tales generally don't have an author, they are told from mouth to mouth without writing them down, leading to lots and lots of change in the story over time until the Brothers Grimm decided to write the most popular down starting in 1812.

Of course, as is the case with everything German, we also have two words for Fairy Tales. "Volksmärchen" are those who are tales where nobody knows who first told it. "Kunstmärchen" is something an author invented and they are therefor only regarded as fairy tales because they have the same literary features as fairy tales.

One striking difference I just noticed after reading the article again is that fables have characterized characters. Although, depending on how they look (are they a bear or are they a fox), they will have certain other character features, which will be pretty consistent throughout all different fables, especially of a single author. The characters in fairy tales are flat characters. Other than their task or what they strife to do, they have no depth at all. That's because the character could as well be you or me.
Fables also have the goal of teaching somebody while remaining entertaining. Fairy tales have no such goals and such the moral they might have, which not a lot do have (well, unless you can interpret something into it), remains pretty hidden and is not the focus of the story.

By the way, I still apologize for this rant-y-seeming post. I just couldn't help it. My 13 years of German education felt insulted xD
So I just wanted to teach what I know. I know this might not be a big deal on the other side of the Atlantic, it might not even be in the UK, but in France and Germany it is.
As such I have noticed that the English websites, that try to teach this, lack the clarity and straightforwardness of the German ones. I mean, this is something you get taught in 6th grade here and it remains relevant until the A-levels.

[Onarax]

Does it have to be Western style fairy tales/fables?

Or can I go a slightly different route, I was thinking Arabian Nights for instance.