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The lack of an honorific when talking about our unfortunate researcher on Yuri's part was intentional, at least. XD

Meanwhile, Momo's attempt at science seems to have not panned out.
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@Xeronoia Actually, most honorifics don't have an English counterpart. The common honorific "san" is comparable to Mr./Mrs./Miss, but those English counterparts have different connotations. In English, calling somebody "Mr." generally means that you are either strangers or that the person is of a higher status for you. The honorific "san" is just common courtesy in Japan. "Chan" and "kun" have no English counterparts other than giving somebody a nickname. "Sama" is often compared to "Lord," but is more versatile than the English counterpart; it is essentially used any time one would wish to express high levels of respect and does not necessarily imply nobility like the English "Lord/Lady." And finally the senpai-kouhai relationship does not even exist in the west as it does in Japan, so the words are pretty much without equivalents. One could say "upperclassman," but while this word describes the physical relationship, it implies none of the social connotations that come with the word "senpai."


As I said, most English honorifics are outdated and no longer in use. English is a very old language, with different manners of speech depending on the area, and hardly restricted to modern America or England. Lord and Lady and all that is just what people remember from their medieval times novels about knights and dragons.

Some honorifics are still around but no longer used in anything resembling the manner they originally were, too. Esquire, for example, would originally be used to address a person of higher social rank than yourself but didn't have a more specific title. Now, it's simply used as a way of politely addressing an adult male in the UK or a certified attorney in the US.

Also, claiming that the senpai-kouhai relationship doesn't exist in the west is a gross exaggeration, though it is certainly far far less common, and I suspect a bit of special snowflaking japanese culture.
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As I said, most English honorifics are outdated and no longer in use. English is a very old language, with different manners of speech depending on the area, and hardly restricted to modern America or England. Lord and Lady and all that is just what people remember from their medieval times novels about knights and dragons.

Some honorifics are still around but no longer used in anything resembling the manner they originally were, too. Esquire, for example, would originally be used to address a person of higher social rank than yourself but didn't have a more specific title. Now, it's simply used as a way of politely addressing an adult male in the UK or a certified attorney in the US.

Also, claiming that the senpai-kouhai relationship doesn't exist in the west is a gross exaggeration, though it is certainly far far less common, and I suspect a bit of special snowflaking japanese culture.


Well, the House of Lords obviously still uses titles of nobility. And Esquire has its place in the Order of Precedence, and I've never actually heard it be applied to anyone. Not really the same sort of honorific at all. Now, if you'd said 'sir', then we'd be getting somewhere.

The existence of the relationship has no impact on the existence of a word to acknowledge that someone's your senior or junior in a setting. XD
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Well, the House of Lords obviously still uses titles of nobility. And Esquire has its place in the Order of Precedence, and I've never actually heard it be applied to anyone. Not really the same sort of honorific at all. Now, if you'd said 'sir', then we'd be getting somewhere.

The existence of the relationship has no impact on the existence of a word to acknowledge that someone's your senior or junior in a setting. XD


Oh definitely, that was just the example that came to mind. Also fun fact: Dame is the female version of Sir, whereas Lady is when a woman was merely married to a Sir or Lord. I will say that any female-specific honorifics are likely to lack a suitable match, as old english was extremely male-oriented.

Also it does when someone specifically says "it doesnt exist in the west as it does in japan". :p
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Oh definitely, that was just the example that came to mind. Also fun fact: Dame is the female version of Sir, whereas Lady is when a woman was merely married to a Sir or Lord. I will say that any female-specific honorifics are likely to lack a suitable match, as old english was extremely male-oriented.

Also it does when someone specifically says "it doesnt exist in the west as it does in japan". :p


You don't need to mention that to me. I have a semi-decent knowledge of all the damn ranks nobility has.

Well, it doesn't exist in the same way, as it isn't reinforced simply by having a conversation. The observation is strictly accurate, though the extent to which it applies is debateable.
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You don't need to mention that to me. I have a semi-decent knowledge of all the damn ranks nobility has.

Well, it doesn't exist in the same way, as it isn't reinforced simply by having a conversation. The observation is strictly accurate, though the extent to which it applies is debateable.


Fun facts are simply fun facts, you never know who knows them already or not. Noble titles alone aren't the subject at hand, though.

In any case, that's still a oversimplification and exaggeration. Connotations are not definitions, and saying another culture doesn't have a word for something simply because it's not the literal definition paired with those connotations is a poor translation. By that logic English doesn't have a word for, and this is a nonliteral example because I'm too lazy to look up a proper one, Octopus because the Japanese word for it has connotations of the color pink.

EDIT: Also random unrelated thought but: Who are Aletha and Nero going to end up paired with, since everyone else just got paired up?
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@Xeronoia
I was just thinking that same thing, when I was going to post.
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Took a moment to fill out the rest of the RPer Matchups thing, cuz bored. Changed the folks with only one match because they only have one character atm to italics since everyone but the unmatched/no ideas are done now.



Gotta say it's a nice spread! Nobody ended up in a weird closed off group as far as I can tell, everyone seems to be matched with someone their other match isn't.
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Been a bit busy lately, will post something or other tomorrah.
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Posted as Keiji. Waiting for Trixy to come back from her trip before I post as Ryuuto.
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Kinda wanna post for both my chars at once, so if a Grey post doesn't roll out tonight I'll get one out tomorrow. Else, expect something later today.
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Finally managed to get a post in. I feel like mine are so short, but what else can I really say? I'd write Kagura internally hyper-ventilating about how she might mess this up, but she's too centered to be actually freaking out.
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I'll wait for others to post before I post.
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I honest don't know what to post, since I wasn't matched with anyone.
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Finally managed to get a post in. I feel like mine are so short, but what else can I really say? I'd write Kagura internally hyper-ventilating about how she might mess this up, but she's too centered to be actually freaking out.


As long as effort goes into it, there's nothing wrong with being concise. Heck, sometimes being longer actually hurts a post because it doesnt really contributing anything.

I honest don't know what to post, since I wasn't matched with anyone.


I'd assume we need the people who don't have second characters yet to make some, so they can get matched with yours?
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Posted as Keiji. Waiting for Trixy to come back from her trip before I post as Ryuuto.


sorry you have to wait >.<
I will have a post up by tonight if I can...but I'm busy today.
latest tomorrow.
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@TrixyTrix I'm taking your avatar home.
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I'd assume we need the people who don't have second characters yet to make some, so they can get matched with yours?

I'm making a Receiver, then.
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@TrixyTrix Don't rush. You gave us all fair warning that you were going away for a little bit, so that's all one can ask for. Did you enjoy your trip?
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I'm making a Receiver, then.


Don't you already have two characters? Or did I derp up my RPer matchups list...
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