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@trenenp I can work with you on it if you can describe to me what aspects of Malice you consider most important to the character.

@wikkit I wouldn't say it's fantasy-only but a sci-fi styled character would basically be pushing into Clarke's Third Law territory to stay competitive.
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Hey, fine by me. Wasn't necessarily thinking of a sci-fi universe, something more like urban fantasy/horror where someone with luck manipulation powers managed to bullshit their way into warping reality. Alternatively, being part of the established deities in this setting and doing death/disease or the like.
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>@Dead Cruiser What are the limits on power beyond no omni or "do anything" abilities?
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@wikkit I'll admit the first idea intrigues me, and would be an interesting piece in the overall puzzle. However, it isn't unheard of for freak accidents to thrust otherwise totally unprepared individuals into the role of being their world's New God. Often these people end up dead and more powerful Gods take over their territory.

The thing with being an actual, functional God (as the title is understood in Heaven) is that it basically means you have a job. There's a function you serve in Heaven's multiversal society, and what that function is typically describes what you are the "god" of. Many Law Gods, judges and other judicators, exist within Heaven. In fact there are multiple, competing "pantheons" which pay homage to different "supreme" deities.

@Zyx I'd pretty much handle it on a case by case basis. At the level our characters should generally be at, power is more of an abstraction.
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I'd pretty much handle it on a case by case basis. At the level our characters should generally be at, power is more of an abstraction.


>I see. In that case how would a god of order, akin to Jyggalag, be? I'd normally go with something like time, but that's usually a no-go outright since most people don't want to deal with temporal mechanics in roleplays.
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@Zyx See above with mention to Gods. A description of what specifically your character does, and what they did to escape their world would be more relevant information.

Pretty much nobody cares what you get up to on your home World. If you start screwing people over in Heaven, then you tend to get your head cut off and universe annexed.
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@Zyx See above with mention to Gods. A description of what specifically your character does, and what they did to escape their world would be more relevant information.

Pretty much nobody cares what you get up to on your home World. If you start screwing people over in Heaven, then you tend to get your head cut off and universe annexed.


>In that case I have two ideas. One for a god who's more like the enforcement or peacekeeping side of Heaven, or at least thinks of themselves like that anyway even if the other gods don't, which plays into the whole order aspect. Or a god who was obsessed with knowing the future only to become capable of doing so after reaching the apex of their world, and now just wants someone to put them out of their misery since they no longer get enjoyment from an existence robbed of uncertainty, which can play into time to a degree.
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@Zyx "Peacekeeping" in a very loose sense of the word is probably what most Gods that live in Heaven are engaged in day to day. They are a fractious, overwhelmingly martial, and often short-tempered bunch, and duels among lesser Gods are a common sight. Minor Law Gods, Gods of Justice, Peace, and similar titles arbitrate disputes, end disturbances, and hunt down rogue Gods.

However...

Their standards are are dependent on who/what they swear fealty to. Pantheons are alliances of gods, but function like competing gangs within the city/multiverse. Small pantheons are like street gangs. Larger ones function like the mafia. The biggest serve as the functional governments and organized religions in Heaven.

So it's fine to say "I'm the god of XYZ" but without support to back it up it's a quick way to becoming "god of being a dead asshole" while someone with connections loots your universe.

I hope I'm getting across what a ruthless place the center of the multiverse is. Literally everything is at stake.

With the seeing the future thing, there is no past or future in Heaven. Time describes a process that happens within universes, Heaven is explicitly outside of every universe. So she has a good motivation for leaving, but she would find her foresight useless within Heaven.

Seeing the future of the Multiverse requires perfect knowledge of everything that exists, as well as everything that does not exist. The last God that tried it had her eyes burn out of her skull.
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@Zyx "Peacekeeping" in a very loose sense of the word is probably what most Gods that live in Heaven are engaged in day to day. They are a fractious, overwhelmingly martial, and often short-tempered bunch, and duels among lesser Gods are a common sight. Minor Law Gods, Gods of Justice, Peace, and similar titles arbitrate disputes, end disturbances, and hunt down rogue Gods.

However...

Their standards are are dependent on who/what they swear fealty to. Pantheons are alliances of gods, but function like competing gangs within the city/multiverse. Small pantheons are like street gangs. Larger ones function like the mafia. The biggest serve as the functional governments and organized religions in Heaven.

So it's fine to say "I'm the god of XYZ" but without support to back it up it's a quick way to becoming "god of being a dead asshole" while someone with connections loots your universe.

I hope I'm getting across what a ruthless place the center of the multiverse is. Literally everything is at stake.

With the seeing the future thing, there is no past or future in Heaven. Time describes a process that happens within universes, Heaven is explicitly outside of every universe. So she has a good motivation for leaving, but she would find her foresight useless within Heaven.

Seeing the future of the Multiverse requires perfect knowledge of everything that exists, as well as everything that does not exist. The last God that tried it had her eyes burn out of her skull.


>In the case of the former, since you do make an analogy to the mafia, I could see a god in that vein having a story more focused around intrigue and trying not to get stabbed in the back. As far as the latter goes, it gives the character a good motivation to just not leave Heaven period, or perhaps to fight other gods they simply lure them into traps where the foresight can work. I do want to try going for a god who's less fight-y though, if possible. I've had my fill of that as it is.
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The thing with being an actual, functional God (as the title is understood in Heaven) is that it basically means you have a job. There's a function you serve in Heaven's multiversal society, and what that function is typically describes what you are the "god" of. Many Law Gods, judges and other judicators, exist within Heaven. In fact there are multiple, competing "pantheons" which pay homage to different "supreme" deities.


This works fine by my reckoning; a character forced to work in some kind of divine capacity just to get secured in a world bigger than them sounds like a fun idea. Whether or not the kind of broken-for-their-own-setting powers this idea would have counts as some kind of true apotheosis or just "good enough to fit in", I haven't decided yet.

The overall concept is someone who's, as a result of whatever dumb stuff is causing this, basically unchallenged in life and has gotten so far without really needing to do anything. They've got everything handed to them by freak coincidences and can't be seriously hindered, and as such they live in a malaise of boredom. Nothing ever really causes problems, everything goes right even if they just sit there, and so on. Having a character like that suddenly being thrown into a new life where everything can cause problems would be great fun to write.

This is kind of an abstract question, but would a god of (mis)Fortune/Luck/Probability end up similarly "untouchable" in this setting? I know it's a lot to ask and I am fine if the answer is 'no', but the nature of this domain giving some level of protection would help make it more believable that they're not instantly wiped out.
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@Zyx An intrigue story set in Heaven's mean streets is something I would support.

@wikkit I guess it would be up to you how pervasive these effects are, and what effect (if any) their luck manipulation would have on the divine. If it isn't enough to completely protect them, what makes up the difference?
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@Zyx An intrigue story set in Heaven's mean streets is something I would support.


>In that vein, maybe there's a god - an old one might be more applicable for the scenario, I'm not entirely sure - who got to Heaven by being really good at killing. Becoming a god of murder so-to-speak, but after doing some divine wetwork for a few millennia they eventually got tired of all the death and just wanted to retire, only for some old enemies from their past to come back. Forcing them into a situation where they have to decide whether or not they want to take up the sword again or live on the run forever.
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I don't know for certain and I don't think it'll be all-encompassing protection. I'll figure it out when sign-ups go up.
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@Zyx Interesting, I think the idea will work.

@wikkit Well that is the rub... hard to say who all is still interested in this, the int check has been out for a few weeks.
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>Cool. So far as interest goes, I'm definitely still in for the time being, but my main concern is whether this will actually kick off IC-wise or not. No offense, and I understand everyone's busy, but I've had a look at some of your previous attempts at this where there was a lot of interest followed by silence as far as the actual starting of the game went.

>Again, I get that people are incredibly busy and that this is just a hobby, but I'd also hate to spend my time working out the details of a character I don't even get a chance to play.
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I'm still interested. Just waiting on the thread so I can get started revamping my character sheet.
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@Zyx A fair cop, I think in previous instances I was getting too hung up on the fixtures of the setting, and lost interest as a result. We'll see about this one, I feel like player interest is going to be the main sticking point.
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@Zyx A fair cop, I think in previous instances I was getting too hung up on the fixtures of the setting, and lost interest as a result. We'll see about this one, I feel like player interest is going to be the main sticking point.


>A reasonable concern. Although a small group could still work, as players could make NPCs and the like for various plotlines, especially if we're dealing with universal principalities.
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@Zyx I'm open to the idea of a small but consistent group, would probably be vastly easier for building and working around storylines.

I'd say I would like a minimum of three at least before I start, with the condition of a weekly schedule we intend to keep up if we're keeping it small.
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@trenenp I can work with you on it if you can describe to me what aspects of Malice you consider most important to the character.

@wikkit I wouldn't say it's fantasy-only but a sci-fi styled character would basically be pushing into Clarke's Third Law territory to stay competitive.


Sorry I kind of had a lot going on. But I would prefer for him to be a demi-god but if that doesn't work then I can change it.
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