[OOC] Daemon Web- NMV

[LeeRoy]

Noteworthy things, because I feel like saying them.

Fury: Shows up out of nowhere, attacks Khold in one post.
Result: Continuing the roleplay.
Drag: Shows up from the exact same nowhere, doesn't attack Fury in one post. Waits a turn before actually attacking him.
Result: Argument.

Fury: Instant power boost to high tier.
Result: Continuing the roleplay.
Drag: Instant power re-allocation with a massive weight boost.
Result: Argument.

Fury: Takes a hit from a High Tier despite +1 charge priority, doesn't go flying.
Result: Continuing the roleplay.
Drag: Takes a hit from a physically weaker Intermediate tier. Is expected to go flying.
Result: Argument.

[MelonHead]

LeeRoy said
Noteworthy things, because I feel like saying them.Fury: Shows up out of nowhere, attacks Khold in one post.Result: Continuing the roleplay.Drag: Shows up from the exact same nowhere, doesn't attack Fury in one post. Waits a turn before actually attacking him.Result: Argument.Fury: Instant power boost to high tier.Result: Continuing the roleplay. Drag: Instant power re-allocation with a massive weight boost.Result: Argument.Fury: Takes a hit from a High Tier despite +1 charge priority, doesn't go flying.Result: Continuing the roleplay.Drag: Takes a hit from a physically weaker Intermediate tier. Is expected to go flying.Result: Argument.

Fury: Appears from miles away as a glowing blue missile, hence making him pretty goddamn easy to avoid. Causes no damage, leaves immediate option for player to leave legitimately, wasn't accepted by LeeRoy. (Also had a much better fucking reason for attacking, if you happened to have read Fury's CS history, which I doubt.)
Drag: Shows up in the middle of an ongoing fight with LeeRoy, attacks with intent to kill albeit with a delay (with pretty shitty motive, by all accounts he should be -just- as bad as Fury in Kanitah's eyes, but apparently Kanitah has a gift for spotting heroes.) though I hardly see how that mattered.

Fury: Instant power boost to high tier? You mean after your own character changed (which I allowed, most graciously) and broke all his ribs with his prior attack? You mean with the massive penalties of his transformation?
Drag: Instant transformation followed by a weight boost which apparently hasn't impacted his speed in the slightest, judging from his reaction to both Fury's attacks.

Fury: Breaks his ribs instantaneously from a punch which I could have easily logically deflected or avoided, because your character throws punches like a film hero rather than someone who actually knows how to punch someone. (And going flying is hardly a requirement for every single fucking attack that has a charge priority, taking some form of damage is the rule, which I was more than happy to comply with.)
Drag: Takes an -energy- hit which has no mark on Fury's physical strength whatsoever, an attack which could technically have been charged -up to- 2 times, no damage sustained at all (technically breaking the rules, but whatever.) Immediately recovers and launches counter attack which could outright kill Fury if I didn't think it was so goddamn stupid that he was essentially out-speeding my character after just saying he was weighty and unbalanced.

Yeah, good argument LeeRoy, once again stepping into an argument and floundering about, stick to arguing when you're actually involved, you're moderately better at it.

[GreivousKhan]

Whoa, has Kholodny literally become a zombie now? I swear he get's a new power or ability every post. o.0

[MelonHead]

Anyway, the only thing I've argued was a breaking of the rules, two of the same tiered opponents facing off and my charged attack was essentially ignored, which is just a clear violation of the rules of T1 Eden era.

[MelonHead]

GreivousKhan said
Whoa, has Kholodny literally become a zombie now? I swear he get's a new power or ability every post. o.0

Probably, and that picture is hilarious, it seems like a Guru thing somehow.

[GreivousKhan]

MelonHead said
Probably, and that picture is hilarious, it seems like a Guru thing somehow.

Really? Reminds me more of an Asuras thing.

[MelonHead]

GreivousKhan said
Really? Reminds me more of an Asuras thing.

Asuras would actually have it as an avatar picture, Guru would force you to have it to destroy your image as an undead overlord.

[GreivousKhan]

MelonHead said
Asuras would actually have it as an avatar picture, Guru would force you to have it to destroy your image as an undead overlord.

Yet he's the same person you gave you back your melon.

[MelonHead]

GreivousKhan said
Yet he's the same person you gave you back your melon.

By giving me back the Melon he restored a part of the old me, that wasn't necessarily a good thing.

[LeeRoy]

Fury: Caused no damage due to Kanitah warning Khold. Biddz's character had no in character knowledge of Fury's presence, he would have taken that hit unless he metagamed.
Drag: Showed up in the middle of an ongoing fight, I'll admit that yeah. But that's his choice. Plus he had a good reason too. You ran from him. Noteworthy: Fights aren't limited to one person fighting one person. Just saying. Also Noteworthy: Kanitah and Fury weren't exactly fighting.

Fury: Changed instantly to high tier with "drawbacks" despite your instantaneous healing shortly afterwards. Mind you, from Mooks. Zero tiers. Absorbing energy from Mooks in mass number healed you sufficiently to be back up to full power in one turn.
Drag: His movement speed has decreased, but I'm reading over his sheet and his punching speed doesn't slow down. In fact it gets faster.

Fury: Took damage, but still didn't go flying. Which is supposed to happen to Drag, despite his weight. The broken ribs were solved about 5 turns later with an army of Mooks becoming snack food.
Drag: Yeah, the taking no damage bit was a bit odd. I'll admit, I'll talk to him about it. But it's also stated in his sheet that he can power through pain, so immediate retaliation isn't out of the question. But expecting him to be sent flying despite previous attacks not sending you flying is funny.

There's no reason for you to be this big of an ass towards Drag. The dude just wants to roleplay as well, and despite doing the exact same fucking thing you did except more politely, you're bitching at him.

[MelonHead]

LeeRoy said
Fury: Caused no damage due to Kanitah warning Khold. Biddz's character had no in character knowledge of Fury's presence, he would have taken that hit unless he metagamed.Drag: Showed up in the middle of an ongoing fight, I'll admit that yeah. But that's his choice. Plus he had a good reason too. You ran from him. Noteworthy: Fights aren't limited to one person fighting one person. Just saying. Also Noteworthy: Kanitah and Fury weren't exactly fighting.Fury: Changed instantly to high tier with "drawbacks" despite your instantaneous healing shortly afterwards. Mind you, from Mooks. Zero tiers. Absorbing energy from Mooks in mass number healed you sufficiently to be back up to full power in one turn.Drag: His movement speed has decreased, but I'm reading over his sheet and his punching speed doesn't slow down. In fact it gets faster.Fury: Took damage, but still didn't go flying. Which is supposed to happen to Drag, despite his weight. The broken ribs were solved about 5 turns later with an army of Mooks becoming snack food.Drag: Yeah, the taking no damage bit was a bit odd. I'll admit, I'll talk to him about it. But it's also stated in his sheet that he can power through pain, so immediate retaliation isn't out of the question. But expecting him to be sent flying despite previous attacks not sending you flying is funny.There's no reason for you to be this big of an ass towards Drag. The dude just wants to roleplay as well, and despite doing the exact same fucking thing you did except more politely, you're bitching at him.

I'm not going to keep arguing with you, but don't think for a second it's because I don't have any response, or do, I don't actually care. I can only assume you're trolling at this point though, as you're reiterating points I've actually already answered as if they still support your argument.

And my problem with Drag is pretty simple, he's not adhering to the actual point of the multiverse, which is to weave complex narratives around fighting. Instead he's literally just fighting because he can, and swapping his character's personality around wildly in order to do whatever the fuck he wants. I don't particularly enjoy RPing with people like that, and I shouldn't have to if I don't want to, hence why I tried to launch his character away so I could just fucking leave.

Though I suppose it makes it awfully easy for all the so-called heroes to just launch immediately into attacking the first 'bad' guy they see, good story telling and whatnot.

[GreivousKhan]

MelonHead said
I'm not going to keep arguing with you, but don't think for a second it's because I don't have any response, or do, I don't actually care. I can only assume you're trolling at this point though, as you're reiterating points I've actually already answered as if they still support your argument. And my problem with Drag is pretty simple, he's not adhering to the actual point of the multiverse, which is to weave complex narratives around fighting. Instead he's literally just fighting because he can, and swapping his character's personality around wildly in order to do whatever the fuck he wants. I don't particularly enjoy RPing with people like that, and I shouldn't have to if I don't want to, hence why I tried to launch his character away so I could just fucking leave.Though I suppose it makes it awfully easy for all the so-called heroes to just launch immediately into attacking the first 'bad' guy they see, good story telling and whatnot.

Bah, come back when Drag competently changes the tier of his character mid fight.

[MelonHead]

GreivousKhan said
Bah, come back when Drag competently changes the tier of his character mid fight.

Do you ever wonder what people would do if they actually had to think about their motives rather than us having to provide ones for them?

[GreivousKhan]

MelonHead said
Do you ever wonder what people would do if they actually had to think about their motives rather than us having to provide ones for them?

It does make me feel like I have wasted my time planning and creating all these damn plots. But that's just the Dm inside me.

[GreivousKhan]

MelonHead said
Do you ever wonder what people would do if they actually had to think about their motives rather than us having to provide ones for them?

I take it though that the no real combat in Perdo Waste does not bore you that much then?

[MelonHead]

GreivousKhan said
It does make me feel like I have wasted my time planning and creating all these damn plots. But that's just the Dm inside me.

Probably. It's like us watching two (or was it three?) previous incarnations of the multiverse die because of these exact same reasons doesn't even matter. we can't possibly know what the hell we're talking about.

It's getting rather depressing really.

[TheBiddz]

GreivousKhan said
Whoa, has Kholodny literally become a zombie now? I swear he get's a new power or ability every post. o.0

Khold was a zombie before. It didnt come up before because he didn't get hit by anything. I was planning on having him notice some structural damage next turn.I just don't like having my characters show everything they can do all at once. There's a revised sheet up with way more detailed information in it.

[MelonHead]

TheBiddz said
Khold was a zombie before. It didnt come up before because he didn't get hit by anything. I was planning on having him notice some structural damage next turn.I just don't like having my characters show everything they can do all at once. There's a revised sheet up with way more detailed information in it.

0.0

no

no...

[GreivousKhan]

TheBiddz said
Khold was a zombie before. It didnt come up before because he didn't get hit by anything. I was planning on having him notice some structural damage next turn.I just don't like having my characters show everything they can do all at once. There's a revised sheet up with way more detailed information in it.

If by more detailed information you mean completely new abilities and a distinctly larger buff from previously. :K

I mean i get detailing information....but Khold is completely different character now then from when we started and no one in their right mind would disagree, You obviously gave him some uber buffs in every area.

Hell he's competing with Fury Easily at this stage, and I'm talking about High tier Fury.

[TheBiddz]

Then, for the sake of avoiding an argument, because holy hell I do not feel like that, I'm willing to hold off on using come of the powers for the duration of this fight. The only thing I really changed was the reclassification of the wind powers from intermediate tier to high tier. I'd be more than glad to bump them back down until the fight is over. The ice powers stayed the same, and the addition of the anatomy section was to better detail how it works. He is not invulnerable in the slightest, he just doesn't feel pain or bleed. I'd be willing to edit my post too, because he doesn't need to fly to get up there, with the lowered gravity and all.