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This group is for those who are wish to improve their art skills through hard work and lots of studying. Only serious candidates need apply! Now, that said, this group is open to ALL SKILL LEVELS -- from only being able to draw stick figures, to being able to paint like the great masters of old -- all are welcome -- you just have to have the desire to better yourself and the discipline to make it happen.



1.) Be respectful. All critiques, while honest, should be done in a courteous manner. (There's a distinct difference between being constructive and simply being rude.)

2.) Keep all non-art-related chatter to a minimum. This thread is specifically for art -- if you wish to socialize, there are other areas on the forum designated for such purposes.

3.) Post all images at a decent size. Make sure it's large enough that it can be viewed properly, but do try to scale it so that it can fit on a screen without scrolling. (It just makes life easier for everyone.)

4.) Post regular updates. I understand that life can be busy, but do try to be an active participant -- you'll only improve if you dedicate the time to do so!

5.) Artistic nudes are allowed. But please post such works behind a properly labeled hider. (This will allow those who do not wish to view the material to simply skip over it.)



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I realize you're allowing, but do the Guild rules allow number 5?
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Hunter of Shadows said
I realize you're allowing, but do the Guild rules allow number 5?


Tasteful nudity is allowed, yes. Nudity with a pornographic twist to it, no. (Contra has said that artistic nudity is alright. Think classical painting nude, not a person that's naked for the sake of being lewd. There's a definite difference.)
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Ah, was curious, thank you
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Good thing that this is back. I love it on the old guild. Here is a old one that I did around five months ago: Too big to put on here, so here is a link
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Good thing that this is back. I love it on the old guild. Here is a old one that I did around five months ago:


It's hard to critique something that's essentially abstract, but I can say that I do like the simplicity of the piece. You have a couple tangents in there (one is where the bottom branch divides and the diagonal line behind it almost exactly where the branch divides, the other is from the upper branch where the blue edges it into the lower branch), but I can't tell if they're done on purpose or by accident, so I guess that's a good thing. lol (Meaning they're 'technically' wrong, but I can't say with 100% assuredness that they're detracting from the piece, depending on how they were intended.)

Also, you may want to take one of the graphics out of your signature -- the whole signature is currently a bit too big.
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OH my god! I would like to sign up again ^^
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OH my god! I would like to sign up again ^^


Absolutely. I'll add you to the list right now.
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I guess I should post something. I've been working on this for almost two years because I keep getting angry and quitting. Only to come back of course a few months later.

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It based off this picture here
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Sherlock Holmes said
It's hard to critique something that's essentially abstract, but I can say that I do like the simplicity of the piece. You have a couple tangents in there (one is where the bottom branch divides and the diagonal line behind it almost exactly where the branch divides, the other is from the upper branch where the blue edges it into the lower branch), but I can't tell if they're done on purpose or by accident, so I guess that's a good thing. lol (Meaning they're 'technically' wrong, but I can't say with 100% assuredness that they're detracting from the piece, depending on how they were intended.)Also, you may want to take one of the graphics out of your signature -- the whole signature is currently a bit too big.


The picture was taken before it was done. I could go look for it in my room, it might be there. Blame my art teacher, she wanted the students to do like a tree branch theme. Like one tree branch can be set in the winter while the other can be set during a rainy day.
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Can I suggest something? Weekly or monthly challenges. Like one week could be landscapes, another could be unique perspectives or something like that. That would be really fun, and I'd hop into a group that did something kind of like that.
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Can I suggest something? Weekly or monthly challenges. Like one week could be landscapes, another could be unique perspectives or something like that. That would be really fun, and I'd hop into a group that did something kind of like that.


For now it's just going to be critiques and paintovers because that's what I have time for at the moment. That said, I had planned on doing some group activities later on. (I had started to introduce things like that shortly before Guildfall -- various group studies to focus on developing different skill sets, but it was obviously all lost when the site went down.)
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I guess I should post something. I've been working on this for almost two years because I keep getting angry and quitting. Only to come back of course a few months later.It based off this picture


I think I remember you posting this back on OldGuild.



1.) You're having issues with your values. If you flip the drawing to black and white it's easy to see that you haven't got a focal point because you're values are currently too uniform. When doing paintings a good rule of thumb is remembering things in terms of 'foreground, middle ground, and background'. In general, objects in the foreground tend to be darker in value (because they're right up close to you and you can see them the best, so they'll have the most contrast), your middle ground has mostly mid tones, and then things in the background generally fade or get a bit lighter because of something called 'atmospheric perspective'. (Basically, that's when dust and water particles get trapped in the air and partially obscure things getting further away -- the farther they are, the more they fade because they have more 'atmosphere' between your foreground and their placement in the background.)

Now, if I take and darken down your foreground (the figures, obviously, and the chair they're seated on), then lighten things heading off into the background a bit, you can see how it starts to make your focal point (the figures) more pronounced. When trying to imply lighting, values (your lightest lights, your darkest darks) are wicked important -- colors are really only a small fraction of the battle, your values are what will make things believable because using them correctly is what will give all the objects in your painting their proper forms. For instance, look at the original painting and look where the two women are leaning against each other. Now look at it in grayscale. You'll notice that the sliver of blue between the bodies that you used to try and imply some of the background showing through is basically the same value as the arms of the women themselves. This causes a muddled/muddy feeling visually because your eye is looking for a value change to help separate everything out. Once I put the value between them lighter, see how it rounds the arms out a bit more, so you can see the two women are separate objects and that shadow is currently darkening their arms down? The same goes for the woman on the right's dark bikini -- it's the same value as the pier/land in the background, so the two fight each other for attention, even though they're different colors.

Values, values, values. They'll make or break any piece.

2.) Now, I touched briefly on colors being of secondary importance to their actual values, and that is true, but colors are still important. (Obviously.) For this piece, your light source is the sun (warm), so your shadows are going to be correspondingly cooler. (And the reverse is true in other scenarios where the light source is cool, then the shadows will seem warmer by comparison.) Do you know why the shadows under the chair are purple/blue? Because they're receiving ambient bounce light from the sky. Wherever the warm sun color can't reach, the rest of the sky will light it as a secondary cooler color. (You'll see this a lot on a sunny day if you look around outside. Shadows take on a very blue tone.) Now, you did pick that up from the original reference picture, which is great, but you forgot to add that cooler color back into the shadows on the skin.

Check out the swatches I color picked -- yours on the left, the photo's on the right. Notice how much warmer all your colors are than the actual photo colors? It's perfectly fine if you want to exaggerate some of that warmth to help sell the beachy/sunny day, but remember to cool down your shadows, too! Add some of that ambient blue/purple back in to help your figures feel like they're actually a part of the environment they're placed in. (Everything in the picture has to have the same lighting/color rules apply to it, if you want to have it feel like it's all existing in the same environment!)

3.) Anatomy. It's the bane of every artist, and rightfully so -- it's very difficult, but extremely important. The way these two figures are currently rendered, it looks like you seriously need to work your anatomical knowledge. Knowing where muscles start and end, how they wrap over certain bones and such, that'll help you to know how to render your figures correctly. For instance, the leg that's crossed over the other on the redhead's figure -- you've implied (I'm sure unwittingly) that the thigh to the knee is bent/curved. The bones in that area prevent the upper leg from moving at all -- you only get movement at the joints between bones. And, as you know, the bone in that area of the leg is straight. Any movement we're getting there is the muscles and fat being displaced as the other solid leg underneath pushes it, resting the top leg comfortably above it. If you look at the photo, you can see the thigh muscle there is straight where you've drawn it curved. You drew what you thought you saw, not what you actually saw. Doing anatomy studies will help you to correctly map out your figures, both from reference photos and, eventually, from your own imagination. They're not always fun to do, but they'll eventually make your drawings more solid and, inevitably, easier to bang out.

If this were my piece, I'd be harsh on myself and scrap it. You can't be afraid to kill your darlings. (As I've had it said to me by mentors on many occasions when I've done pieces that needed revisions.) Sometimes it's just best to start again and try to correct errors from the ground up -- the more you render on a piece that has issues, the less and less you'll ultimately become happy with it. (Because you can only hide so much with rendering.) If you do decide to start again, keep the critiques in mind, use your original painting to reference your changes, and see if you can improve on what you had already done. (Keep the things that work, get rid of those that don't, etc.) It will very likely go faster the second time around and you'll probably be much happier with it.
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Ah yes, I see everything your pointing out and what has been bugging me so much. I honestly may try and finish it just to get the experience I get from it then maybe try it again after I do a few different pieces. As for my anatomy I know what you mean, it hard and you only get better the more you do it and to be honest this is the first time I've had people with so much skin up that close. I have usually got the structure of the bones but the muscle and fat is something I've yet to really focus on. So I'll do some drawings to work on that for next time.

Thanks for the help! And yes this was the piece I was working on when we had the oldguild.
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I got a question. I'm not such if it's on topic or not; but, what drawing pad should I get?
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I got a question. I'm not such if it's on topic or not; but, what drawing pad should I get?


Do you mean a tablet? (As in a Wacom drawing tablet.) Or a pad/tablet as in an iPad (or similar)?
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Do you mean a tablet? (As in a Wacom drawing tablet.) Or a pad/tablet as in an iPad (or similar)?


I meant a tablet. Why do I keep saying pad :S
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I meant a tablet. Why do I keep saying pad :S


Well, if you're looking for a drawing tablet, stick to Wacom. They're the best brand, hands down. (And they have everything from cheap tablets up through extremely expensive ones. There's something for every budget and, if you want to get one even cheaper, you can get used ones off ebay for practically a song.)

If you're referring to something like an iPad or a Surface, I've only ever used an iPad so I can't really give a review on other types of tablets. I've heard ok things about the Surface, but you'd be better off checking out youtube reviews and basic specs to make comparisons on your own.

Also, again, your signature is a smidge too big -- I'd take one of the pictures out if I were you.
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Well, if you're looking for a drawing tablet, stick to Wacom. They're the best brand, hands down. (And they have everything from cheap tablets up through extremely expensive ones. There's something for every budget and, if you want to get one even cheaper, you can get used ones off ebay for practically a song.)If you're referring to something like an iPad or a Surface, I've only ever used an iPad so I can't really give a review on other types of tablets. I've heard ok things about the Surface, but you'd be better off checking out youtube reviews and basic specs to make comparisons on your own.Also, again, your signature is a smidge too big -- I'd take one of the pictures out if I were you.


Thanks, since my birthday is coming, I might could ask my mom if she could get me one.
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Ooh, I like this. Can I be signed up again so I can bug you with my horrible anatomy once more? :3
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