[OOC] God, Gatling, and Glory [Steampunk/Imperialism NRP]

[rextremendum]

Hey, Chee, Red Dragon and Dratha: how do you feel about trade with the gweilo? If you feel ok about unrestricted trade with my merchants, Acier will guarantee your independence. All men have the right to freedom, even spear-throwing savages, and how better to defend that freedom than wealth from trade, advanced firearms and modern military training. None can invade when there is a gun behind every blade of grass. Also, if you want to accept Anarcho-Capitalism into your life, that'd be grand

[The Nexerus]

I would be interested in a Christianity analogue. Maybe everyone who wants one could get in a group PM and hash it out?

@So Boerd

I second that. Who else is interested in a PM convo to forge our Christianity analogue?

[Chairman Stein]

Christian analogue? Trade-slavery with the uncivilized Southern tribes? Anarcho-Capitalism?!

[Deth_Glitch]

Hey, Chee, Red Dragon and Dratha: how do you feel about trade with the gweilo? If you feel ok about unrestricted trade with my merchants, Acier will guarantee your independence. All men have the right to freedom, even spear-throwing savages, and how better to defend that freedom than wealth from trade, advanced firearms and modern military training. None can invade when there is a gun behind every blade of grass. Also, if you want to accept Anarcho-Capitalism into your life, that'd be grand

@rextremendum

I have the finest firearms money can buy, you want an alliance and call me a spear throwing savage? You lack tact in your diplomacisioning

[So Boerd]

So I did some insane maths (literal rocket science) and found out how to make airships cost effective. PROBLEM: Firing regular guns produces CRAZY recoil, and regular naval guns are incredibly heavy and big. So, as a solution, I present the most steampunk thing ever. SOLUTION: The Resian Rocket Barge™! A small, essentially unarmored (armor above small arms/flak levels in the magazines and on the balloons) ship that is for air to ground operations. Somewhat accurate Hale rockets fired at 8000 feet can go approx 10 km and since your target is an army, the accuracy doesn't matter. There is no recoil and many more rockets can be carried than shells.

[Deth_Glitch]

So I did some insane maths (literal rocket science) and found out how to make airships cost effective. PROBLEM: Firing regular guns produces CRAZY recoil, and regular naval guns are incredibly heavy and big. So, as a solution, I present the most steampunk thing ever. SOLUTION: The Resian Rocket Barge™! A small, essentially unarmored (armor above small arms/flak levels in the magazines and on the balloons) ship that is for air to ground operations. Somewhat accurate Hale rockets fired at 8000 feet can go approx 10 km and since your target is an army, the accuracy doesn't matter. There is no recoil and many more rockets can be carried than shells.

@So Boerd

I feel that you like maths... like really, really like maths.

[So Boerd]

They get the job done.

[rextremendum]

I am down for the Christianity pm. Deth, where are you buying these guns? If you're making them, you should let my merchants buy them from you. Also, is there a reason the northern continent is more advanced than the southern continent? And where do our resources come from. Is everywhere just rich in sulphur, iron, coal etc.? Is the southern continent lacking in this, and the Red Dragon is just the exception? Who invented the gun, and who improved it so? Where was the machine gun invented? I assume the Red Dragon invented their own, seeing as it is fucking far away and I don't see the northern continent sailing across the sea just to sell experimental, highly-dangerous weapon secrets that have only really been in development the last decade or so to a """"primitive""" southern """tribe""". Acier has free trade rights, so maybe they would, but most nations do not sell their military secrets to just anyone, especially arming people they may want to conquer soon.

[Commodore Robot]

From my understanding of it they're a relatively small nation that's been paying attention to the way things have been going in the north and have been taking notes (A bit like Meiji era Japan I would imagine). The ideas haven't really spread too far from them considering that the majority of the southern peoples are nomadic tribes or are incredibly insular and conservative.

[Brink_]

Finished up my application. Plagiarism has been toned down considerably.

[rextremendum]

From my understanding of it they're a relatively small nation that's been paying attention to the way things have been going in the north and have been taking notes (A bit like Meiji era Japan I would imagine). The ideas haven't really spread too far from them considering that the majority of the southern peoples are nomadic tribes or are incredibly insular and conservative.

@Commodore Robot

Oh, so instead of buying them, you're thinking they send people over to observe and learn, or just engage in espionage, then manufacture them themselves? That makes sense to a point, but how long have machine-guns or mortars been around? When was the last major advance in Service Rifle technology? I am just skeptical of the Red Dragon having top-of-the-line things, as they describe themselves to have. I'd imagine like the Boshin War clowns, they would get sold second-rate weapons that are easy to manufacture without a massive industrial sector, as opposed to heavily-engineered bolt actions or machineguns, that require metal cartridges that need a great deal of manufacturing capability to make in number.

[Commodore Robot]

Generally speaking things on the caliber of your Gatling, Gardner, or Nordenfelt are a decade old at least and maxims aren't much younger really. Mortars are another story, but if they've been keeping pace with northern modernization then they likely won't have too much trouble actually manufacturing ammunition.

[rextremendum]

I guess - I remain skeptical that they have ways of getting all the machinery, fuel, metals, chemicals, manpower, technology etc with such a tiny amount of territory and through trade, but I don't mean to throw a shit fit - this is all well within acceptable parameters for realism. I still want to know who they are buying from, though, so I can use it for RP. Acier will want to be selling, because muh Libertarianism, but Deth implied that I am not involved in the supply.

[Commodore Robot]

@Brink_ New stuff looks good. Port it over to the character tab at you leisure.

[Gendarme]

This role-play will be amazing to observe.

[Deth_Glitch]

I guess - I remain skeptical that they have ways of getting all the machinery, fuel, metals, chemicals, manpower, technology etc with such a tiny amount of territory and through trade, but I don't mean to throw a shit fit - this is all well within acceptable parameters for realism. I still want to know who they are buying from, though, so I can use it for RP. Acier will want to be selling, because muh Libertarianism, but Deth implied that I am not involved in the supply.

@rextremendum

1. You can be involved in supply if you want 2. The Kingdom of the Red Dragon was once a northern nation (well a colony of one) but when the empire (it was a colony of) fell it became a merchant republic, selling southern luxuries to the north in return for northern luxuries, knowledge and armaments 3. Red Dragon only really 'produce' food but even food they buy a lot from the south in return for northern luxuries Basically think of Red Dragon almost like venice, they are at the end of such a valuable trade route that money just flows through them, with large amounts spilling into the kingdom itself. P.S. The Main population of the Red Dragon (especially the upper classes) still look down on southern tribes as lesser but their economically focused minds see their value, therefor the populance are still effectively 'pure' in that they almost all have DNA originating from the northern continent,

[rextremendum]

Right on, that make sense. Well, Acier merchants are free to sell to any nation that is not at war with the state, so it would make a great deal of sense if some of the more rare weapons came from us.

[Deth_Glitch]

And I see no problems regarding to that. With all this aggression toward the south though... KotRD is going to need more then trade partners, its going to need allies.

[Keyguyperson]

As we all know, I'm in for Christianity. Can't have Charles XII without it.

So I did some insane maths (literal rocket science) and found out how to make airships cost effective. PROBLEM: Firing regular guns produces CRAZY recoil, and regular naval guns are incredibly heavy and big. So, as a solution, I present the most steampunk thing ever. SOLUTION: The Resian Rocket Barge™! A small, essentially unarmored (armor above small arms/flak levels in the magazines and on the balloons) ship that is for air to ground operations. Somewhat accurate Hale rockets fired at 8000 feet can go approx 10 km and since your target is an army, the accuracy doesn't matter. There is no recoil and many more rockets can be carried than shells.

@So Boerd

You know, we kinda have antigravity tech, and we all know that steam engines here are a bajillion times better than they are IRL. We just gave ourselves a means of propulsion good enough to power a normal plane, so we can actually have fighters. Of course, we also gave that plane antigravity so it only needs wings for the maneuvering surfaces. This means that the wings can be smaller. Do you know what this means? (If you do, and somehow know what I'm talking about, you win an undefined number of Keyguy points)

[rextremendum]

Smells like Last Exile. Also, capitalist trade partners of Acier can count on its full military support. We'll get an alliance hammered out in IC tomorrow