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Case study.

Make a list of people from RPG who you think were total jerks (It's okay, I'm on the list, I understand, that's fine). Now as you all know, we just experienced a big crash/migration/extinction-type event, and everyone had to re-register -- so, what I want you to do is, go through that list, and see if you can identify anybody on the new site.

What?! You can?! and it's EASIER than finding other users?

What's up with that? Well -- the answer's both simple and fitting. Rather counter-intuitively, the people you perceive as jerks (there's probably a better word) cherish their identity on the internet. We didn't change our names -- we didn't even THINK about changing our names. Or if we did change, we picked something that was already familiar to us, something that already constituted a part of the identity we'd already built. It's the opposite of anonymity -- we all, pretty much unilaterally, held onto the recognizable structures we'd built to define ourselves in a community.

What is that? That's role-playing, sir. And it's fantastically meta. It's the entire internet. Every YouTuber starts his livestream with 'Hey this is *kratos2312 or whatever bullshit*.' Nobody's making us self-identify -- heck, nobody remembers anyway, shit, I have no idea who the last Borderlands streamer was that I watched, but he certainly gave himself an introduction, and offered a few links to other videos. Those same guides probably would be more helpful if, rather than mixing in your own personality, you just cut right to the chase and showed where to unlock the Dubble Hornet or whatever the hell...... so why?

I mean it's not a trick question. We want to be identified, even on the internet. The people who scream for attention -- tell you what, let's use me. When I make a fuss, it's not because lol nobody can find me and punch me lol i can say whatever i want lol watch this OBBABBMA MAMA lol. It's the opposite of that. You see me and, saaaaaay Brovo. You see me and Brovo start up a semintellectual debate and you have to wonder 'how can that possibly be fun,' and yet time and time again we just do it. Why? Because it's part of the identity we cultivate, and fulfilling that feels good. Even when it's futile. It's like when two kids find some long sticks and play Star Wars with each other -- it's 'you be Roe and I'll be Wade and for a few minutes we'll feel like we're the ones that matter.' And the longer you keep it up, the more convincing it is, to you as well as to everyone watching.

Now if this sounds vaguely sad and pathetic, I'm writing it wrong. That old adage that says 'Reading can take you anywhere!' is a bunch of bullshit. Reading can take you ringside, but only writing lets you throw a punch. And writing is fantastic. And the internet is fantastic, for those same reasons. You can be the beacon of social justice, if you put the work in. You can be the cool interceding voice of Ace. You can be that guy who posts, and everyone rolls their eyes and says 'Oh, that Naruto is such a weirdo!' Or you can be, you know, a sexually active 13 year old, we had that guy here once, hey, whatever floats your boat man, I don't judge. It's a role. It's an identity. It's a character and it's a part of you. That's better than reading. Reading licks these nuts, this is writing.

And sure, you expect that, here, on a roleplaying/writing website. But look around. Isn't this the whole internet community? Isn't this Reddit? Isn't this twitter? Isn't this facespace and mybook and huggle+? They're all doing what we do -- albeit without the class and dignity we manage around here (ha, wait, I'm posting this in spam? Okay, pretend I'm posting in RP discussion and then dignity. Or don't, and.... fuck it whatever, shut up). It's not anonymity. It's got nothing to do with anonymity. The internet is about being someone as hard as you goddamn can. Sort of like being the biggest Giants fan around. Sort of like being the best sales rep on the floor. Sort of like being the smartest kid in class. Sort of like being an aspiring writer.

Sort of like life.
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"We want to be identified, even on the internet. "

God is within.
Would you not agree that any site which requires us to assume an identity in the form of a username - Griever, mdk, whatever - strips anonymity from us by default? If we wanted to be anonymous, which I believe is a good thing, how do we go about that effectively, while still avoiding all the necessary pitfalls like:
-Your online persona gaining slow recognition within a finite community
-Repetition which will inevitably lead to recognition
-IP-recognition on admin-side of the server
-Confrontation leading to recognition
-Roleplaying leading to recognition
-Etc.
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Griever said
"We want to be identified, even on the internet. "God is within. Would you not agree that any site which requires us to assume an identity in the form of a username - Griever, mdk, whatever - strips anonymity from us by default? If we wanted to be anonymous, which I believe is a good thing, how do we go about that effectively, while still avoiding all the necessary pitfalls like:-Your online persona gaining slow recognition within a finite community-Repetition which will inevitably lead to recognition-IP-recognition on admin-side of the server -Confrontation leading to recognition-Roleplaying leading to recognition-Etc.


To an extent. If your loss of anonymity was stictly involuntary, though, you'd expect people to seize their chances to start over. Take Turt, for example -- permabanned from oldguild, comes here and elects to keep the same name. He could've registered as HobboBono, no one would've been the wiser, and he wouldn't have started out on thin ice.

Or (to segue and not to associate), consider the saga of Darth Warman. If the goal was to cheekily-sexually-harass people from a curtain of anonymity, why use variations on the same name over and over?

And apologies again for mentioning *anybody* in the same breath as Warman. If I'm talking about 'a certain type of Internet user' in this whole line of thinking, I mean to include myself.

Point is, we're not locked in if we're embracing the cage. We like our notoriety. We like our smug, undeserved sense of accomplishment. We like our circumspect kudos when we waste breath on shitty reviews for amateur fiction. We love our identity.
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where the ponies?
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natsumehack said
where the ponies?


You had a paragraph but I took it out because it didn't flow right. It was about almost exactly this post right here.
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You had a paragraph but I took it out because it didn't flow right. It was about almost exactly this post right here.


Readd the paragraph.
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You're not the boss of me.
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mdk said
You're not the boss of me.


Yes I am.
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Well I didn't vote for you.
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Well I didn't vote for you.


too bad now add it.

good night.
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mdk said
To an extent. If your loss of anonymity was stictly involuntary, though, you'd expect people to seize their chances to start over. Take Turt, for example -- permabanned from oldguild, comes here and elects to keep the same name. He could've registered as HobboBono, no one would've been the wiser, and he wouldn't have started out on thin ice. Or (to segue and not to associate), consider the saga of Darth Warman. If the goal was to cheekily-sexually-harass people from a curtain of anonymity, why use variations on the same name over and over?And apologies again for mentioning *anybody* in the same breath as Warman. If I'm talking about 'a certain type of Internet user' in this whole line of thinking, I mean to include myself. Point is, we're not locked in if we're embracing the cage. We like our notoriety. We like our smug, undeserved sense of accomplishment. We like our circumspect kudos when we waste breath on shitty reviews for amateur fiction. We love our identity.


That's oversimplification. The point is that you can ascertain a LOT by someone's post, even if the username is simply a placeholder.

If I was to list out every single post you made in Roleplaying sections, Off-Topic and Spam, I could probably tell you a few things about yourself you might not even know. The only exception to this would be if someone is being willfully deceptive, but that's usually not necessary online because of the implicit anonymity.
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This totes belongs in Off topizzle yo
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sounds gay
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He should post it there too and then compare how people answer. It seems to me only a few people cross over to both forums.

It's a basic human desire to be acknowledged, to be ignored is the worst thing someone can feel. Being hated or loved is better than being disreguarded. Even in 'faceless' places like internet forums.
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Not gonna lie, I kept my username because what is creativity.
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Smiral said
sounds gay


He-Man Christmas Special.

First time being high when I watched that.
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He should post it there too and then compare how people answer. It seems to me only a few people cross over to both forums. It's a basic human desire to be acknowledged, to be ignored is the worst thing someone can feel. Being hated or loved is better than being disreguarded. Even in 'faceless' places like internet forums.


I disagree. Being actively rejected is worse than being passively ignored.
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Griever said
I disagree. Being actively rejected is worse than being passively ignored.


I have to side with idle.
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Griever said I disagree. Being actively rejected is worse than being passively ignored.


Negative attention is still attention. Ever wonder why people getting ragged on hard stick around to argue or get beat up on? Because at least for that moment, they're not being ignored.
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Makes for an interesting read, agree or no. I will say that I don't feel that I play a 'role' when I post--outside actual rp I mean. My personality here is far more outgoing then I could ever be irl, but what you see from me, is...well, me. I want people to know *me* online, and if people like who I am great. If not, whatever. So I don't necessarily think everyone online disguises who they are--I do think personalities are modified to some extent though. But i think you can largely be yourself online, maybe even moreso than you can in person...thats how it is or me, at any rate.
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