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TheEvanCat is the closest you can get to a Hideo-Kojima tier source of military information.

Hideo Kojima: the one - or one of a few, I dunno - developers to actually piss off the Japanese because he does research to find a basis to work off of for his games, or later games. And not just masturbating Japan onto every subject.

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UN doesn't do RnD investment. They'd have no weapons or tech specs worth saving. They don't even log science. The UN's primary interest in information would be in international law and politics. There's no developmental merit to possessing the outdated files on how many second-hand US Armored Cars they had in the Congo.

So why do you keep shoehorning them in?

EDIT - The internet isn't UN property either and it would exist however it exists now with the only issue being state censors blocking people from certain sites. The internet would still be there.

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Up until the war though - of even through it - things would presumably be more interested in the software side of development. After all, no physical assets are put in danger in your attack on someone's server. Get one guy with illegal access to a bunch of computer, DDOS someone's server, and make off with trade secrets before they can respond or shut down the servers and cut you off.

The war could feasibly open up hack opportunities in the sort of cyber warfare pundits like to scream about. Move in like the US-Isreali attacks on Iranian nuclear power plants and over load the centrifuges and surgically destroy shutdown a nuclear power plant. No physical assets or lives are put at risk, and for a government they can use the black-out you created to make a move. Physical attacks may make a comeback in the later part of the war if you want to smash international communication by punching them right in the balls in a sort of Deus Ex scenario, but hacking'll be a powerful front still and a tech company like them could make enough to be stable on pure IT management and security.

How they make the jump from software to hardware is another thing.

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In the end the UN isn't a good place to claim initial funding from, or if they're even a party to it. What little they get is from voluntary payments by their member states, and across all functions they have to budget (currently) for five and a half billion dollars. This goes to just about everything they run, with the exception of UNICEF and their international food programs. They don't have anything that'd make a significant impact to, or start international R+D firms.

By contrast, the US military budget is six hundred-sixty four billion dollars, funding everything involving the maintenance of our armed forces, oversees costs, and subsidies for defense technology budget by the many numbers of defense firms operating in the US. And I don't think they often share the same company with anyone for very many projects.

And private company security, in-so-far as I know is shifting more to software focus and hacker defense. Gone now are the days the CEO of Hershey's can pass himself off as a normal person and get himself employed as guy on the factory floor to learn how his competitors are making chocolates. It's more likely that if they're going to contracted for corporate security there might be a larger anti-hacker emphasis and to watch, direct, and track data traffic in the company network to seal holes in firewalls should they arise.

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The UN doesn't have enough money to fund research with. They're not that kind of organization. And they certainly wouldn't be now.

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I can't really see Halo-tier armor being a thing within this century anyways. Maybe lite cybernetics, but not all the way to Turner's masturbatory efforts.

Bomb Suits will probably be the better base I feel, since in the end they're lower cost and don't have the complex engineering as developing Spartan Armor or T-51 armored suits would bring. Complexity is to welcome failure, so simplicity would be the best in the long-run or while grappling with R+D costs running alongside war-costs.

If a protective shell can be built to naturally compliment the natural power faculties of the soldier in the field and address the major concerns associated with certain combat roles, why try to over-complicate it and introduce more fatal points of failure?

Re-fitted bomb suits would probably give the best ballistic protection at low weight, especially in a world of durable low-weight plastics. At the same time for the sake of mobility you're sacrificing the redundant layers of protection to cushion explosive blasts and prevent internal organ failure associated with such things (like Blast Lung). But you could still probably have someone who can man a light machine gun or safely move ammo between members of the squad in high fire.

But sense the redundant measures have been removed and the suit would still need to be removed quickly for medical treatment, you got enough holes that maybe a well-placed bullet could cripple him, or if he got too close to an exploding grenade or RPG he'd get removed from the field.

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I can't see any power plants that might work that wouldn't otherwise be a big block on the back that could be about as vulnerable as a tank engine, but more devastating for the man in the suit. You either get batteries that are really heavy to get a long charge, and/or the material outlive the casing and rot the entire thing from the inside out. And often times these big batteries may not be the most effective their output vs discharge cycle rates. So you probably won't be much better off I'd think, if I read everything right.

Otherwise, the Lithium-Ion batteries the defense networks of the world would use have been deemed pretty unsafe.

Traditional ion batteries can quickly melt down, especially during re-charge and cause an explosion of breakdown of the batter in or between use. They need to be handled with a considerable amount of care and I imagine the last thing anyone in a power-suit would want is for something to trigger catastrophic heating, melting the battery and shutting him down as hot acid pours down his back or it explodes.

Though Lithium-Ion batteries are safer, they carry a lower discharge rate. You can get higher energy storage though, but you would need a lot to probably get close to the same output as heavier, traditional batteries.

But when they fail...



Lithium-Ion and their cousin Lithium-Ion-Polymer are only really useful in small-scale design like laptops, mobile phones, or maybe remote controlled vehicles or cars. Old-school lead acid batteries would have the discharge rate needed to maybe power a suit of power armor, but then we go back to Evan's point about the military trying to make exo-suits: it just makes them bigger and bulkier. You also can't really recharge them well, so when they're done they're done.

The closest thing to an exoskeleton suit that might even be maintained is bomb defusal armor:



And I don't think you could get a range of motion to throw grenades back, and heavier calibers could still knock you down.

You could probably mod them to strip them down for conventional combat. But you're likely to remove some of the bomb protection features to get a range of mobility needed to fire anything but a handgun, like removing the overlapping armor plates and removing foam blast protection. Joints might be reinforced with something like light-duty kevlar or stay to foam to absorb blast damage still, but might still render them vulnerable to shrapnel or bullet fire. You then got a lack of situation awareness from the helmet.

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I'm just surprised at the length.

I think we'll have a fun ride with you.

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How about you stop trying to generic vidya-game mob the RP?

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