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Section #1: Jig Being Right


It has come to my attention, that I am primarily right and drunk.

Jig is completely right.


Jig is right.


[11.01.50] Gowi:

Jig is right. Feel free to send that along.


[Jig is] 100% correct.


Jig was right 8 months ago, and is still right.


I love you, Jig. It's because you're Always Right™.


Once again, Jig is absolutely right about this.


Where is Jig when I need to vent about politics?
Drunk.


The mighty Jig is of course right.


Section #2: Jig's RP's


I'm not post-dating RP's I've been in that died out of nowhere and I've basically forgotten about, so here are my present ones.

Current:

Previous:

Wolf Manor (GM)

Wink Murder (GM)

Project Rehab (Player)

The Kidnapping (Player)

Wink murder: Who Killed Mr. Jig? (GM)

Finite Incantatem (Co-GM)

New Dawn Rising (Player)

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I'm gonna still be slow on this until my housing situation is sorted. It's not just about time, it's about concentration. You guys know what I'm like: I can pre-write and plan and all that jazz when I'm in the right mood, but until I have housing, concentration is not a thing I really have.

What this means is, if (ie: when) I appear around in another RP on these boards, please don't be scared I've lost interest in this. I haven't. Doing this right now requires me to reread everything, including basically all PM's, consult all my notes, double-check everything and then start planning what happens next and I just don't have that in me right now. I hope you all understand. :)
Eep. Well, I know how to chase her up.

Not that there's any point switching on the Hypocrisy Klaxon, since I don't currently have the time or the strength to sit down and concentrate on this myself, so ♫
... I don't know what that is, but I hope it all works out for you the best. ^^

In other news, no boat. Still homeless-to-be. -.-
Oops. If you already told me that, apologies. I've been obviously forgetful recently. >_<

If you didn't... my nag retrospectively stands in its historical context. :P
Speaking of Bliss, has anybody seen her around?

I'm still househunting atm, but there's a chance it might all be sorted soon on the aforementioned houseboat. Because this means contracts and shit, it's actually more time-consuming than the usual househunting, so this is likely to be further delayed, especially since I'm still looking for new places just in case the smokeboat falls through. Sorry once again for RL being a bellend, and thanks again for bearing with me.
The consensus of this thread seems to be to kind of suggest that villains are (or should be) people too, within the context of the story and that they should therefore have a strong, justified motivation. I don't think that's strictly true. Be prepared for graphic scenes of references to literature, anime, tv shows, and films.

All stories are driven on conflict between the protagonist and the antagonist. Because the antagonist is what stops the protagonist achieving their goals, they are frequently typically 'villainous', in order to, uh, vilify them and make it easier for the audience to identify with the protagonist. For example, in WW2 films, it's abundantly clear that the Holocaust-mongers are the bad guys because they're behaving like assholes - we therefore root for the protagonists. If you have a strong villain, even if they're hammy or clichéd, you will probably have a strong narrative.

Who says anything about a villain having to have a good motive, though? In Othello, Shakespeare gives Iago all of one line to justify his woolly motive (iirc; he was passed up for promotion in favour of Othello), which is given as part of a soliloquy and thus only and explicitly for the audience's benefit. It doesn't make his scheming against Othello throughout the rest of the play any less villainous, however. Everything Iago does and is is in service of his slightly rubbish desire to cause Othello's downfall - and explicitly says or does nothing else once Othello's ordeal is over because he's done his bit. Does it make him any less deep as a villain? Perhaps. Does the play suffer for it on the whole? Not remotely. The play is not about Iago. The play is about Othello's downfall; it's Othello we care about - which is something I think can easily trip RPers up.

Since RPing is telling one story from many PoV's (as I see it), one would think it lends itself to including villainous characters, but I'm not so certain that strong villains or antagonists are actual major agents in fiction - there are certainly many examples of strong villains and antagonists barely taking action, whether literally or more generally. While Iago doesn't shut up in Othello, he actually does little beyond talking the other characters into torturing themselves with their own personalities. Jaws is widely considered to have been so scary because of the suspense of the shark not really appearing in shot very much. In Harry Potter, if Voldemort's going to turn up, he's going to wait until the end of the book. In Doctor Who's reboot, the villainous force of the finale of a given season appears briefly or is hinted at throughout the season (and is assumed to be responsible for at least some of the disasters of the week) before appearing in the final two episodes of the run. Much of whatever actions any of these characters do take is off-screen - and therefore, a PC that is also the (known) villain who is posting at the same regularity as the other PC's is not in keeping with the trend here.

Of course, as Elri says, the villain need not be known to the audience or the other characters, and therefore taking action on-screen remains in keeping with that trend, because it is typically ambiguous and amid red herrings anyway - Agatha Christie's bread and butter.

I think this trend exists because the antagonist has a narrative advantage - in order for there to be a plot, they must be a sufficient threat to overcome, otherwise the audience doesn't care. We don't actually need to see the antagonist or villain do very much in order to believe that they are a threat, and they certainly don't have to appear in person to hinder the protagonist. Giovanni is the highly unsympathetic villain and overarching antagonist in the original cartoon series of Pokemon, but it's the comically incompetent Jessie and James that get sent to bother the protagonists. While they are also antagonists and villains, they couldn't really be said to be particularly threatening. However, by using them as Giovanni's proxies, it implies his authority (and therefore, asskicking quotient) and preserves it, because the audience doesn't actually know very much about him as an individual or purely as a combative opponent.

A common thread in these examples, by the way, is a surprisingly simple motive, when reduced to its essence.

Iago missed a job opportunity. Revenge.
Team Rocket want Pokemon to make money (somehow?). Money and (implicitly) power.
Voldemort hates muggles because he's incapable of love and has a sad childhood where muggles are concerned. Psychosis + revenge.
The Joker just wants "to watch the world burn". Blue and Orange Morality.
Any culprit from Agatha Christie. All of the above (apart from eating people).


All fiction is derivative. No plot has not done before, in essence. Your villain will have the same general motive as another villain from somewhere else down the line. Napoleon the pig from Animal Farm is in it for material wealth and agency; just like Team Rocket. But they're not the same villains, and Animal Farm is no less disturbing to me because I can find similar motivations between anime villains fifty years Animal Farm's junior. It seems to me to be about style, rather than substance - not necessarily a criticism.

It's about finding the right balance for your world and your plot, and working out how those actions that the villain takes gives the work the right tone. Jessie and James maintain a comical, child-friendly tone by squabbling, being stupid, and generally fucking things up; when Giovanni steps in, it's gonna be a lot more serious because he packs a lot more heat than his cronies. Note that this works even with the predictably simple motive of Money&Power. The Dark Knight is a lot darker with themes of legitimate Chaos, and it sets that tone by raising the actual damage output of its villain: the Joker blows shit up, and people die. Extremely srs business indeed.

Long story short:

Less is more.
Clichés are fine.
Style over substance.

I have caught up. It didn't take long.

@Callthecops - placeholder if one's coming, please.

I'm gonna endeavour to bump this along in the next week with or without placeholders. I'm not, however, promising, because obviously I remain homeless-to-be and that's currently a top priority as I'm sure you understand. Having taken a little break from this, I also basically need to catch up on what I had planned next and react to the usual hurricane of surprise at least one of you has thrown at me.
If any of you is actually a Nigerian Prince, please do email me. Include all relevant documentation by attachment.

In other news, gonna try to catch up on whatever there is to catch up on shortly.

Jig Remains Homeless, But Not Hopeless


because there is a legit chance I might be living on a houseboat next year. The idea of chilling at Christmas-time in the middle of Amsterdam on a deckchair on top of my houseboat with a dirty great doob with huge coats and boots on for the cold is basically keeping me through.
I have indeed returned, but, on this occasion, I don't bring glad tidings, I'm afraid.

I'm moving to Amsterdam next month, and don't have anywhere yet to live, which is, at the moment, somewhat pressing. Since we've only just begun and we've already had somebody drop out, I think I'm going to just knock this on the head now.

I'm really sorry to do this to you, especially since I was probably quite picky and difficult during the character creation process.

On the plus side: Mr. Jig will almost certainly return. Running games like this is great fun and, while RL has decided to butt in where it's not wanted for now, I expect Mr. Jig will be resurrected at some point in the future. There is still hope for you little murderers!

Apologies,
-J
Sup kids. The actual reason for my absence is that I'm moving to Amsterdam to study in about a month's time, and the university is supposed to give me accommodation.

They didn't.

So I'm moving to a foreign country I've never been to, and don't have anywhere to live. Much panic. Many concern.

Fortunately, this is still creeping along at a pace that I don't have to be terrified by, and you're all still here, so I don't need to worry about being online to bitch about whether or not you've posted. Am going to PM one of you my email address so if you need me but I'm not logging on, you can reach me anyway.*

Hope you're all happy humans, with regards to this RP, me as an individual, and your own lives.

* Please note that the Dial-A-Jig service is provided free of charge, with compliments from Jiggidy Industries.
Abuse of this service, including, but not limited to, sending chain letters, correspondence from Nigerian Princes, and unsolicited nudes, will
result in Jiggly-themed injuries to the guilty parties. Thank you for your ongoing patience.
I can see why it would be suspicious for adults to organize events for LGBT kids. Probably something the kids themselves are going to have to work out.


It's surprising how little is needed that can easily be provided. A regular, free LGBT youth group that's open to minors and young adults (including straight friends of LGBT people) for a couple of hours on a weekend only requires a room and probably a couple of actual adults to organise and take care of the legal/duty of care stuff.

In return, it offers local LGBT minors and youths a confidential place safe from judgement where everybody's in the same boat and minors on the brink of sexual maturity can ask for advice* on LGBT sex and relationships (probably barely mentioned in PSHE or whatever the American equivalent is - not that an LGBT student in the closet can really approach that anyway). More likely, they'll just get to spend a couple of hours a week not worried about whether they're straight, gay, male, female, a combination thereof, or not fitting into any category.

* Inb4 anybody says the internet is a better resource. Sure, there are good resources on the internet, but there are also some disastrously bad ones and people actively looking for vulnerable minors.
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