Jig

Wolf Manor

Well, Gray is definitely in the top six, if that helps.

Why 'feminism' poisons EVERYTHING

I have a lot of hate inside me and I've stopped caring who I hurt as long as I destroy those who fucked me over. I'm a crusader and would gladly see the Spanish Inquisition brought back to punish these bitches.

@The Patriarch

Blimey. I suspect that if you found a less aggressive means of communicating your message that the resurgence of feminism is causing you or your gender a disservice for which you can argue properly and in the appropriate register (or have somebody do it on your behalf), you might have more success in making your opinion listened to. The video is a great example of how high levels of aggression and strong language turn you into a pastiche and undermine your point; it presents women talking aggressively in order to mock them. You are now using the same hyperbolic language as your opponents and if you ever get a higher-profile platform from which to speak, you will be ridiculed for it, too.

As usual, there are two conflicting interests; people who think women have a raw deal from society; and people who think they have it just fine as it is, if not too well. There probably is no right answer, and one twelve-minute video that frames the creator's own personal expectation of a prospective study as evidence, having earlier criticised opposing commentators for doing the same is not the way to do it. It's clear that nuance is completely absent from both populist sides of the debate; the famous catcalling in New York video presented something deeply shocking, with a woman clearly on the receiving end of accepted, invasive, and highly-gendered behaviour; and when the stunt was repeated in a different city in a different culture, it presented a completely different story, with a woman clearly on the receiving end of respectful and non-invasive behaviour*.

The issues are clearly deeper and more complex than either one of these projects can explain or even diagnose on their own, and a higher and more specific level of analysis is required. That said, the video actually criticises somebody for seeking funding to carry out precisely that higher level and more specific study, while it later criticises the movement it has decided she represents for failing to provide sufficient evidence. The video simultaneously presents the feminist movement as one which is highly biased and therefore argues to discount the evidence that camp puts forward. Meanwhile, the video is highly biased, as evidenced by the immediate pursuit of the victim-card in the 'let's see how long' section at the start. Should we also dismiss the evidence this video puts forward?

The first step to higher and more specific analysis, and this goes for more or less everybody, is that the word 'feminist' isn't good enough on its own in anything purporting to be proper debate and needs qualifying. Feminism is a huge spectrum of categories spanning everything from complete genderblindness to the idea that women have always been oppressed by men and society needs restructuring from the ground up. The kicker is that it's a self-defined term. We see it particularly in the Page Three debate in the UK**, where the models themselves defended Page Three with feminism (self-expression should not be censored because of female nudity taboos) while critics argued with feminism that those other feminists were contributing to women being treated as sexual objects. It's simply not good enough to make a feminist point (or a point about feminism) without being more specific than just the F-word, and this goes for the feminists in the video as much as it does the guy trying to make a point about all of feminism using just those examples.

I think we all need to remove the sticks from our collective arses, and this goes for both sides of the debate. Somebody on this thread has claimed to have suffered gendered abuse, and they had this abuse openly doubted. This is not something I see applied to women in UK media; currently there is outrage that there may be legal cases where women who have been raped must prove that they have been raped***. I would hope and expect that any decent person, when faced with somebody, regardless of gender claiming to have been abused in any serious fashion, would react with compassion, rather than implicit or open queries as has happened here. Apart from anything else, the moment a man is laughed at for claiming to have been abused, he is made a martyr to the idea that men are oppressed, and is alone compelling evidence to back up that claim within that field****.

I'm a victim of abuse from mothers.

@The Patriarch

Get help. Not in a passive-aggressive, you're-behaving-stupidly-so-lol-you-need-help way, just for clarity. You are both externalising and internalising whatever it is that you have gone through by making it your mission to destroy an outside party that does not seem relevant and by building all that rage up inside you, none of which is indicative of good mental health. If it pops, you could hurt somebody else or yourself. Please get help.

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* Annoyingly, I can't actually find the video. I think it was a less built-up area, maybe New Zealand. Arghrgrgh.
** Tl;dr - an infamous page of a popular but poorly-respected UK tabloid which features a mostly or completely nude model
*** This is the heavily-abridged version. The more detailed version is that welfare applying to children from lower-income backgrounds is soon going to be restricted to the first two children, hence the discussion of a situation where a woman did not mean to have a potential third child who might need that welfare.
**** It would be unfair not to acknowledge the feminists I personally know, among whom there are full-on SJW's but also women arguing that feminism is a good thing for men too, on precisely this sort of issue.

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Now, everybody have a nice relaxing cup of camomile tea and chill right out.

RP Tag Requests

Yeah, I guess. The inbuilt neatfreak in me feels like there should be an option for that rather than just leaving it empty. :P

Wolf Manor

Speaking of things going deliciously, things appear to have stalled again here.

Operative word: appear. PM's are being sent. Things are happening.

Just for fun, I have compiled a list of the characters in order of who is most likely to die and who is likelier to die sooner. Obviously, I'm not telling you, but, hey, don't let your guard down. ^^

RP Tag Requests

Period - this is kinda vague. it is better to have each specific era as a community tag. If someone's searching for a victorian-era RP, they'd search for Victorian, not era RPs. Still, if you have a compelling counter-argument, we'll gladly listen.

@Ellri

I figured a catch-all term for time periods that aren't common enough to warrant their own category. 1920's jazz-era is a valid time-period, but not one seen regularly and so a whole tag for it alone feels gratuitous. Perhaps 'historical' instead if we don't already have that?

TBC (for party size) - Explain what this is. The term is unfamiliar.

To be confirmed. IE: the GM doesn't know how many characters they're looking for

Under Construction/Ideas Please - This is covered by the "Sandbox" tag.

I don't feel it is. This would be asking players interested in the RP to contribute lots to the RP's development process, such as world-building and selecting between possible ideas that the GM may put on the table. Sandbox, to me, means lots of freedom once the RP has started, and that's not actually the same thing.

Player-driven & GM-driven - Not sure exactly where to put these, and unsure if other tags might cover them already.

Fair.

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Wouldn't it be better to have Medieval/Modern/Near-Future/Far-Future/other time-related as their own tags? (And then just mix'n'match: "Sci-Fi" + "Modern", "Sci-Fi" + "Far-Future", "Fantasy" + "Modern", "Fantasy" + "Medieval", etc.)

@Shienvien

Seems legit.

Perhaps such could even be expanded into a full out visibility system, where people can hide any RPs with certain tags attached from their sight? Like if the very idea of Sci-fi RPs makes someone throw up, they'd rather not see them, right?

@Ellri

I like the idea in principle but I feel it would encourage people to narrow their interests rather than expand their horizons; I don't go for Sci-Fi, but if the right idea came along, I would at least look at it - especially if Sci-Fi is a small element of the RP. Maybe a simple flag system, if nobody has already suggested it, might be better: you set which tags you're particularly looking for and there is a little flag of some kind next to each game in the thread-listings if it fulfils your criteria.

RP Tag Requests

I've checked the list at the top but not gone through the thread. Sorry if any duplicates.

Modern Fantasy (is this the same as low fantasy?)
Modern Science Fiction (could be covered by 'Soft Sci Fi', though I'm not familiar with that term)
Harry Potter
Abstract (doesn't really fit into other categories, GM thinks it's somehow weird)
Experimental
Period (as in, set in a given time-period and roughly sticking to it)
TBC (for party size)
Player-driven
GM-driven
Under Construction/Ideas Please (the GM has a core concept, but wants more player input than usual in building it)
High Casual (go ooooooon ;))

Original Character VS Canon Character Roleplaying

I suppose for myself, as someone with a little of an acting background, I actually enjoy the challenge of trying to be in character.

@IceHeart

Your interpretation of that character, as guided by a director. Some people will find canon characters sympathetic and others unsympathetic. It's interpretation, and when somebody with a particular view plays that character, they're going to frame them from that angle; which is going to be incredibly jarring to anybody that doesn't share the original interpretation, or who hasn't agreed on a communal interpretation of that character.

Leave 'em in the canon.

Apart from anything else, I feel like a character is built to suit a contained plot and vice versa. Taking them out of the action that they shape and that shapes them feels inappropriate to me, unless they're expressly being presented as a radical new interpretation.

Wolf Manor

The really fun part is that it's been about a year since the first obviously-evil invitations of Woll Manor. I broke my arm on the 10th August, which I remember because that was the weekend of gigging and juggling at a festival and not a weekend for spending in hospital where I couldn't get access to speedy painkillers or toast without marmalade (yes, they even went out of their way to make toast inedible, just for me).

For the record, the Who Killed Mr. Jig? game will be returning at some point, though I can't promise when, so if this has somehow died or even finished by that point, there will definitely be a game to which you will all be invited.

Wolf Manor

Game rigged. This will not become a theme.

Wolf Manor

Behold the totem pole of disgust:

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