NytefallActually, I'm attempting to use what would probably be as close as possible to barbarian longsword fighting (without the use of a shield, which was also taken from me) because that's how my character is trained, it tended to involve quick and frenzied assaults which favoured overpowering an opponent. Though apparently overpowering your character is impossible, his upper body strength far exceeds Brennus' own if he can keep his sword at bay with one hand while grappling.
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Oh dear, I've offended you. I'm sorry. I promise I'm not trying to manipulate this fight, and the lack of detail is an issue, I haven't been arena-ing for too long. The attack is fast in execution but can be parried. It's slow to recover from. Does that make sense?
The point of this fight was to help me get a hang of how the Arena works though, not playing a situation in character. I have certainly been reminded, repeatedly, to keep details in mind, and will do so in my next fights.
Meh, I'm not offended as far as I can tell, you haven't insulted me personally, I was just expecting a different sort of fight and was a little perturbed that you controlled my character in the opening post (that isn't generally done.)
I understand that a large overarm slash is slow to recover from, the same for a lunge, but I've tried to (apparently unsuccessfully) describe a quick darting in-and-out cutting attack which sacrifices -some- recovery speed for power, I don't think this should necessarily be something you should describe as an untenable situation for my character, at least certainly not in OOC. As it seems like you have real life experience, I'm sure you know more about sword fighting than me, but I know some things about debating, and your evidence thus far is what I would consider anecdotal.
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Florian can't get a fast enough stab from his parry position though, so Brennus can get out of his range by stepping backwards while disengaging.
Yeah, I'm fairly certain there is no basis for the assumption that Brennus 'has no options' other than the fact that his attack is apparently slow and easy to counter, which are interesting points to make on the flip side to an attack you've called 'covering distance fast' and 'high momentum'
The thing is, anyone could fight by simply googling someone's attack until they found the closest professional name for it, and then finding the counter and just saying 'my character performs -this-'
That's my problem with this so far, that and the slightly unfair manipulations of what I'm posting, and the lack of detail.
Hell, I find this whole thing pointless, if I was playing Brennus to character he would never have accepted any of this, right now he'd probably drop his sword and just beat the shit out of Florian hand to hand.
The fact that my character has a sword as a backup means he in IC knows how to use it, but I'm still learning sword-play (and for the most part see it as pretentious and stupid, I could easily kill an average swordsman in real life with a spear, so what's the point of it.)
From a more Arena perspective, you should probably add more important details, like which hand you're attempting to grab with.
There are still some misunderstandings on my part then. I'm saying that the specific attack you used is not really cautionary, because of its long range. It's what happens when you move the back leg to accompany an attack. You kind of fly forward, to cover that much ground, and can be easily parried, even from an invite. It's an all out attack. It is because of this attack that I felt I could parry and move into a counter.
I understand you didn't want to throw yourself in an all out attack right off the bat. The fact you mentioned bringing the right leg forward to offer you extra momentum is what confused me. So if you re-word that attack slightly, I'll delete my post and think about the next best move.
I'd like this to be friendly, and for the spar to finish cleanly. I apologize if I've come across as needlessly stubborn or greedy haha.
Most if not all engagements which start at significant range (like ours) with longswords seem to involve that step. I'm going off what I've seen in HEMA videos, because sword fighting is not my thing, but I fail to see your argument in watching these videos that the attack is 'easy to counter' (and honestly, I agreed to this fight with Brennus my spear and shield character, I didn't really appreciate having my weapons replaced with a sword, but hey ho.)
I disagree, taking into mind the nature of his attack. If I understand what you're saying, of course.
The thing about it is that as Brennus' attack completes, he's been parried by Florian. To take any further action, Brennus needs to now bring his left foot forward to re-balance himself, considering how far ahead his right foot is. At this point, Florian has control of his sword arm. This is what I mean by the attack being slow.
And at this point, there's not a lot Brennus can do.
Uh... or he can just bring his right foot back, disengaging easily was the entire point of my attack, the movements involved are small and cautionary, hell, I even said at the end of my post that was the entire vibe of the move. Fuck me, Brennus barely even moved his upper body with the attack, he didn't turn his entire body into some rending instant kill with a wooden sword strike, he's not throwing a fucking sledgehammer blow.
Plus, Florian's sword was in a purposeful useless position to block an upper body attack, as he left the entire area exposed. This meant there was a time delay in carrying out his own move, so this idea that Florian is finished with everything infinitely quicker is to my perception illogical.
Anyway, I'm going to stop arguing about the situation before I've even made my post, though if you're so sure that the opening move had somehow offered you an instant grab you're going to be dissapointed I suppose.
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Not necessarily. While the momentum might lock his feet into place, Brennus is still free to pull away the sword with his arms, and he can do so wicked quick, taking into mind the nature of his attack.
Yeah, I'm not even worried about that part of the attack, speed was never something I was querying.
I am stepping into the attack with a parry, so both of you are correct. In my head I took it for granted it was a two hand grip, it being a broadsword. Florian could have easily parried it with two hands and then freed a hand for grappling, or he could have executed the parry with one hand. But yes, this is true, I never mentioned it. My bad, once again.
And I think I see the misunderstanding. In my head I saw this: Brennus stands in plow guard, left foot forward, right foot back and turned. Then during the attack, the right foot comes forward, accompanying the sword's downward strike. Is this incorrect?
Yes, Brennus is standing in what is roughly comparable to plow guard, his left foot is leading and his right foot is back and turned as a foundation. During the attack he steps forward on his right foot to close the distance between the two competitors (as much as seven feet down to four feet) while simultaneously launching a quick cut to his opponent's left shoulder.
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Wait wait.
So lemme get this clear.
Fury's feet are wrapped around Kanitah's feet.
With his knees barely touching the ground outside of Kanitah's hips?
Is that what this scene entails? Because that's really, really bad for you.
Yes, though I should point out that trying to throw your weight to one side and roll is going to be painfully obvious to Fury, though he might not even bother stopping a roll, as with your head already locked you gain no significant advantage from being on top unless you can outmuscle him, which is increasingly unlikely as Kanitah's energy is drained.
Though I should also point out you've had countless obvious escape options available to you before this point, grappling between two super-humans on the ground should be completely down to other factors (such as Fury's energy drain) as IMO one of the biggest parts of grappling using your weight to weaken and disadvantage your opponent is just a non-issue in our fight.
Look at it this way, what do you actually gain if you roll over now? Fury will still be holding onto your head and your arms will still be crushed (because Fury can use his arms and knees to keep himself close to Kanitah, where-as Kanitah has a very limited ability to push and use his own strength. Literally all he gains is his weight on top of Fury, which neither of us would have any reason to care about.
If Florian parries the weak (closer to the tip) of Brennus' sword with the strong of his (closer to the hilt), then he can do it even with one hand.
He's not doing that though, he's stepping into the attack exposing more of himself to Brennus' 'blade' and also reducing the target he has to strike at on the sword to the wider area. His sword is also on the wrong side of his body to parry with the 'strong' part of his blade.
Also, you must have misunderstood something, my character's left foot was only behind his right when he attacked, it says in that post 'his right foot back.' I might have somehow misled you with the earlier mention of the left side facing you, when it would have been more appropriate to say his left shoulder was closer to his opponent, but in my opinion neither signify what you were saying.
You never said how you were holding the sword, but I inferred from your immediate grappling focus that your character was only using it in one hand leaving the second hand free for grappling.
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