MelonHead

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I think there is definitely some sort of major misunderstanding here between both of us, possibly because of the differing styles we are adopting, but I think I have a somewhat better support in that both our characters are using wooden longswords, fencing isn't going to be the most appropriate medium in which to judge how our fight is going down. I'm (attempting, I must admit) to utilize HEMA knowledge to support my arguments, which IMO better evaluates how a longsword fight would go downtown.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

I tested the range from seven feet away with an 85 centimeter sword, you still have to fully extend to hit. You can recover from that certainly, maybe more easily than what I had first thought, but we've already established this.

Also @Vordak, I see what you mean with the push, but I think that he can't muster that kind of force, due to his arms being almost fully extended because of the strike and his chest also totally forward. There's not a lot he can leverage, right? It is true that it's not exactly weak on strong any more, I'll give you that, but Brennus is still in too uncomfortable of a position to really push down.

A vertical cut in gran passata, moving your right foot forward. It's not a straight lunge but something like a downwards hack, lunging forward with your body. If you split that movement into two then yes, it's different, but in this hypothetical it's a continuous attack.

@Sathanas Rex

Your character moved forward, essentially granting him the extra leverage he may have needed. Also, your sword test was inappropriate, the average longsword's -blade- is 90cm long, the whole sword itself being up to 130cm long. If you wanted to fight with weirdly small swords you should have said 'he threw minature longswords' rather than 'wooden longsword'

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

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I tested it. Thanks to having a two-handed grip, Brennus can push downwards the hand closer to the hilt, while pulling up with the other, creating a very forceful push, capable of simply bending Florian's elbow and forcing away his shoulder.

@Vordak

Brennus is already doing that, it's part of the idea that I wanted him to fight using a lot of physical force, which I thought would be more realistic for a Celtic warrior (who in this period were renowned for fighting with sheer ferocity and physical prowess, rather than the more precise and calculated movements of fencing, which is more to do with the different types of swords and the lack of armour and shields IMO.)

Also, why do you keep calling the attack a lunge Sathanas? I thought it was pretty clear I wrote it as a vertical cut?

[Ranked] Four Way: Convergence of Power

I'm using Anna, I mentioned it from the start, I don't have any reason to hide it nor do I care.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Huh, I don't buy the fully extended leg argument, as far as I can tell a man of Brennus' height would cover about two feet with his arms, allowing for his sword to reach about two feet (probably more), that leaves a maximum of three feet (in the farthest example) to cover with his step in order to reach his opponent with the tip of his sword. That's hardly fully extended.

I also don't understand the 'charged' foot thing, unless there's something wrong with me I actually find it somewhat easier to bounce backwards when I've stepped as far forward as possible (which for me is like four feet) I'm not trained or anything, but I'm still able to perform the action quickly.

Maybe the issue here is I'm imagining the distance from my own perspective, seven feet is negligible to me because it's only just above my own height, especially when holding a big stick. I should point out though that on the flip side I can measure six/seven feet very easily, it's basically just me lying down. That's NOT a very far distance, especially with a tool.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Seven is a pretty big distance. Brennus should indeed have his footwork encumbered.

However, you have yet to address the fact that as soon as Florian's hand leaves the grip to grapple, Brennus can easily push his sword downwards and threaten him with the tip pointed to the face.

@Vordak

That was what I was saying earlier about Florian having upper body strength that far exceeds Brennus' own, as my original assumption was that he was using the sword one handed, but I've now discovered he's conveniently using it two handed to block the attack, and then moving his hand from his sword (while still encumbering a two handed sword strike applying pressure downwards) to obtain a grab.

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

Where is the time delay between your character raising his sword to parry the attack (which obviously has to happen at the point where Brennus' move is completed) and then relinquishing a hand on his sword to reach out and grab Brennus' wrist? Are you saying your grab is faster than Brennus' back-step and pulling his arm back? I don't see how that's possible unless Florian has supernatural speed. Or are you taking an additional step forward after the parry? In which case they are matched in action, so it must be that Florian is just faster for some reason, as he has to cover that distance where-as Brennus just has to extend it. (all of this is in response to the idea that the grab is inevitable)

[Unranked] Sathanas Rex vs Melonhead

To continue the hypothetical, because I am curious as to how my character could get out of this perceived 'untenable' situation is there anything stopping him from.

1. Crouching and dragging his sword down, before thrusting it into Florian's stomach.
2. Kicking Florian in the leg or balls if he's feeling particularly cruel with his left leg.
3. Pommel striking Florian in the face
4. Stepping back with his right foot
5. Dropping his sword and breaking Florian's hand/arm
6. Punching Florian in the face or stomach.

If Florian moves his sword to deal with any of these threats, he may have stopped Brennus, but Brennus' sword would have an open target to his head and neck, except for option 1.

This is a chance for you to show me something about sword fighting while I explain how in a purely Arena sense your posts are lacking some detail etc.

It's worth pointing out that your personal experience seems to have been somewhat restricted in what action you can take (I'm guessing fencing?) so though the situation may seem untenable in that strict regimented sense, there are probably a lot of ways you could essentially cheat to escape or gain an advantage. An example I always think back to is how kicking someone in the balls in MMA is disallowed, and immediately halts the fight, despite it being incredibly effective, or even doing the same in boxing. People who have real life experience have a lot of knowledge about what is essentially 'sport' and though its definitely applicable to a fight which is trying to represent real life, there are some 'cheat moves' that I will happily use, which are outside of that sporting environment.

The Hot Headed, Heavy Hitters, Have it Out (Fury vs Kanitah, Round 2)

Exactly, that ruins the grapple. It gives Kanitah the ability to pull his legs inwards, and if Fury doesn't do anything about it, they're coming with them.

@LeeRoy

Oh, O.K, that means you're directly contending Fury's strength? Fair enough then.

The Hot Headed, Heavy Hitters, Have it Out (Fury vs Kanitah, Round 2)

'While doing this, Fury also fought with Kanitah’s legs, attempting to hook them back and out rather than allowing them to get inside and do the same to Fury, which Fury would have an advantage with being in control of the full mount.'

Fury's legs are inside Kanitah's. Kanitah is outside Fury's legs and forced open like a starfish.