NytefallThis is actually the first time any of the new people who came in and joined the Majesty Tournament have come and talked to us in the Arena chat, so any feelings of being 'outsiders' are kind of self enforced. Hell, there's so few of us originally from the Guild left here that I don't even see how it could feel exclusive.
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What's going on Vordak? I'd like to hurry this along if possible.
If you consider others from sites not here unworthy, your community will slowly die. I learned this lesson a long time ago, people tend to hop around. People however do tend to stick with groups, be it a site or a group of friends, and when you get a group that travels around from place to place(usually all at once) its not a bad thing.
Woah, I think you might be reading into things a bit far here. Pollen could have had a multitude of reasons for not wanting to go advertising the guild on other sites, one obvious one springs to mind.
Hey don't worry about it, taking hiatus' is usually good for me and has worked in the past. Usually I take one when I start to feel reluctant to look into Arena fights because they've lost their enjoyment for me for whatever reason, often that's due to a gradual shift towards arguing and competition over story telling (I am incredibly competitive, even when I would rather not be, or perhaps I just get less interested in the arguments, also possible.) or just because I feel my writing is getting more and more forced and even worse than usual.
Also as arguments go this one is far from the worst, I've had some pretty legendary ones in the past. Unfortunately it's one of those disagreements which are pivotal to a fight, similar to me and Khan in the tournament, so an impartial decision is necessary. No matter how agreeable someone is, they're unlikely to turn down an opportunity to win, and unlikely to accept a significant chance of loss, based off the other's arguments.
The problem with your coin toss idea is that it would require me to abandon what I think is logical. It would be sort of if we have a coin toss to decide which of two arms were broken when only one arm was hit. I think either Pollen or Innue should look over the conflict, judge if more damage should be taken, and if they decide in that situation more damage should be incurred then a coin toss would be fair.
Also, if it weren't for the whole basket-ball move I don't see why you would be disappointed in the right side going down, all of the Mech's more powerful weaponry are on that side, so using them would be far more difficult.
Also as arguments go this one is far from the worst, I've had some pretty legendary ones in the past. Unfortunately it's one of those disagreements which are pivotal to a fight, similar to me and Khan in the tournament, so an impartial decision is necessary. No matter how agreeable someone is, they're unlikely to turn down an opportunity to win, and unlikely to accept a significant chance of loss, based off the other's arguments.
The problem with your coin toss idea is that it would require me to abandon what I think is logical. It would be sort of if we have a coin toss to decide which of two arms were broken when only one arm was hit. I think either Pollen or Innue should look over the conflict, judge if more damage should be taken, and if they decide in that situation more damage should be incurred then a coin toss would be fair.
Also, if it weren't for the whole basket-ball move I don't see why you would be disappointed in the right side going down, all of the Mech's more powerful weaponry are on that side, so using them would be far more difficult.
Another laughably bad analogy, you sir are a master of reductio ad absurdum.
'Higan's very first shot in the room was directed at exactly the place where Slimy was hiding.' No it wasn't, if your character had remained completely still the shot would have barely grazed it, as I quite clearly stated. This would have incurred no cost, as your character can take 40mm rounds grazing it completely un-phased.
'When he reached behind his back, it was with excellent timing and precision, despite him not knowing where or when Slimy would attack.' You might want to re-read Higan's actions, as he is very aware of his Mech's vulnerabilities and took steps to meticulously cut off your character's options. As you are evidently unable to see them, I will lay them out quite clearly for you.
1. Slimy breaks past his guard and gets behind him, he dives and cuts off any ability to remain on his back.
2. Slimy is forced to reveal itself by zipping around to the front of the Mech in order to remain on its body.
3. Higan throws the Mech backwards, effectively cutting the back off again as a realistic place to remain.
Now tell me Doc, if Slimy is not obviously in view of the Mech, where pray tell would he be if he were on the Mech at all?
'Yes, my character uses experience to fight.' Apparently, your character uses experience as a lol-excuse for avoiding attacks, mindless of logic or sense.
I've already explained that I took some liberties with the Computer Systems description of being able to analyse materials, though it's hardly an unbelievable stretch. Also, I would have happily removed the ability if you wanted, of course, the fight would have been over then and there as for story purposes I would have had to have Higan return to Ramor and bring nukes to decimate the planet, as is protocol. The idea that Slimy would have been able to run rings around Higan is ultimately laughable however, anywhere in the forest he was at the mercy of the Mech and its electric vision. As you say so, that's entirely on your shoulders, I warned you going into the fight it would be difficult and beyond your character's ability.
'Cute, a tactical retreat. You mean Slimy dodging bullets, and you putting up an OOC ruckus because it shouldn't be able to do that at mid-range. You still meta-gamed, stop trying to shift the perspective.' So all your complaining is due to the belief that your character will be shot at, good to know. In actuality, when I say tactical retreat I meant doing something smart and original, such as leaping off the back of the Mech and onto the wall, or something equally unexpected and tactically advantageous. Not that it matters, your character is never getting to the ground at this rate, because you decided to dive right into its arm on the sole assumption that it would be completely blinded. Sort of a risky tactic isn't it.
You don't get to dictate what damage your opponent takes in T1 Eden Era, it's incredibly bad form and exceedingly rude. Your attack was not a perfect one, so it did not incur maximum damage, that is all the reasoning required behind it. Going into the actual physics of the attack is hardly in your favour however, as the Rhae value of the Optics are clearly stated, and that rock simply lacks the energy and hardness to rupture equipment with that significant resistance.
Anyway, I'm leaving this up to a judges decision, arguing isn't as fun as it used to be and you're not really broadening my horizons with any ground breaking remarks or evidence, so I hardly feel swayed to your sentiment that a certain degree of damage must be taken.
'Higan's very first shot in the room was directed at exactly the place where Slimy was hiding.' No it wasn't, if your character had remained completely still the shot would have barely grazed it, as I quite clearly stated. This would have incurred no cost, as your character can take 40mm rounds grazing it completely un-phased.
'When he reached behind his back, it was with excellent timing and precision, despite him not knowing where or when Slimy would attack.' You might want to re-read Higan's actions, as he is very aware of his Mech's vulnerabilities and took steps to meticulously cut off your character's options. As you are evidently unable to see them, I will lay them out quite clearly for you.
1. Slimy breaks past his guard and gets behind him, he dives and cuts off any ability to remain on his back.
2. Slimy is forced to reveal itself by zipping around to the front of the Mech in order to remain on its body.
3. Higan throws the Mech backwards, effectively cutting the back off again as a realistic place to remain.
Now tell me Doc, if Slimy is not obviously in view of the Mech, where pray tell would he be if he were on the Mech at all?
'Yes, my character uses experience to fight.' Apparently, your character uses experience as a lol-excuse for avoiding attacks, mindless of logic or sense.
I've already explained that I took some liberties with the Computer Systems description of being able to analyse materials, though it's hardly an unbelievable stretch. Also, I would have happily removed the ability if you wanted, of course, the fight would have been over then and there as for story purposes I would have had to have Higan return to Ramor and bring nukes to decimate the planet, as is protocol. The idea that Slimy would have been able to run rings around Higan is ultimately laughable however, anywhere in the forest he was at the mercy of the Mech and its electric vision. As you say so, that's entirely on your shoulders, I warned you going into the fight it would be difficult and beyond your character's ability.
'Cute, a tactical retreat. You mean Slimy dodging bullets, and you putting up an OOC ruckus because it shouldn't be able to do that at mid-range. You still meta-gamed, stop trying to shift the perspective.' So all your complaining is due to the belief that your character will be shot at, good to know. In actuality, when I say tactical retreat I meant doing something smart and original, such as leaping off the back of the Mech and onto the wall, or something equally unexpected and tactically advantageous. Not that it matters, your character is never getting to the ground at this rate, because you decided to dive right into its arm on the sole assumption that it would be completely blinded. Sort of a risky tactic isn't it.
You don't get to dictate what damage your opponent takes in T1 Eden Era, it's incredibly bad form and exceedingly rude. Your attack was not a perfect one, so it did not incur maximum damage, that is all the reasoning required behind it. Going into the actual physics of the attack is hardly in your favour however, as the Rhae value of the Optics are clearly stated, and that rock simply lacks the energy and hardness to rupture equipment with that significant resistance.
Anyway, I'm leaving this up to a judges decision, arguing isn't as fun as it used to be and you're not really broadening my horizons with any ground breaking remarks or evidence, so I hardly feel swayed to your sentiment that a certain degree of damage must be taken.
Innue is perfectly capable of reading everything for themselves and coming to their own conclusions, as would be the only suitable way to deal with the situation.
Yeah, my character -really- guessed where yours was, evidently, hence why he started spraying the entire room with chain-gun rounds and fired blindly into the darkness. In actuality, I saw no reason why your character wouldn't be painfully obvious upon walking in the room with night vision, hence I created an entire situation involving dust and rock to prolong the fight. Other than that, I fail to see what complaints you have surrounding meta-gaming, everything you've done has been in plain sight of the Mech's vision.
I already explained how the 'anomaly' ability my Mech was using is obviously linked to its listed ability to analyse materials, which is quite clearly indicated in the CS. It's no different to your character having a wide range of knowledge about enemies, I don't remember you stating everything your character had experienced in the past, yet you attempted to use it as a defence by referencing a past fight. You're under no obligation to explain every single way you can use an ability, only give the general gist of what it is and the fact that your character has it. Imagine if a pyromancer had to describe every single type of fire it could manipulate, what shapes, etc, that would be ridiculous. Not to mention, the anomaly ability barely benefits me and is far less effective than the Electric vision the Mech clearly has, indeed I only used it at all as a story element.
You say the one attack, but you mean the first attack. There was nothing stopping you carrying out a tactical retreat and launching another offensive, you don't see me crying that my first 40mm round didn't paralyse your creature and leave it easy for my Mech to eliminate, because I don't dictate to people what damage they -should- take. It's not a right one has in T1 Eden Era fighting.
And finally, though convenient that the Mech is not blinded on its left side, ultimately the damage sustained I have judged based upon the reference picture. The right hand side would take the brunt of a blow from a massive rock, because it is higher, and therefore that is the side that is blinded. Once again, half blinding an opponent with your first attack that was far from optimal and based upon a lot of fortunate circumstances (picking up a rock while climbing up a Mech and avoiding being smashed into the wall for one, avoiding the grab another) I hardly feel you have a right to dictate that more damage should be sustained.
Yeah, my character -really- guessed where yours was, evidently, hence why he started spraying the entire room with chain-gun rounds and fired blindly into the darkness. In actuality, I saw no reason why your character wouldn't be painfully obvious upon walking in the room with night vision, hence I created an entire situation involving dust and rock to prolong the fight. Other than that, I fail to see what complaints you have surrounding meta-gaming, everything you've done has been in plain sight of the Mech's vision.
I already explained how the 'anomaly' ability my Mech was using is obviously linked to its listed ability to analyse materials, which is quite clearly indicated in the CS. It's no different to your character having a wide range of knowledge about enemies, I don't remember you stating everything your character had experienced in the past, yet you attempted to use it as a defence by referencing a past fight. You're under no obligation to explain every single way you can use an ability, only give the general gist of what it is and the fact that your character has it. Imagine if a pyromancer had to describe every single type of fire it could manipulate, what shapes, etc, that would be ridiculous. Not to mention, the anomaly ability barely benefits me and is far less effective than the Electric vision the Mech clearly has, indeed I only used it at all as a story element.
You say the one attack, but you mean the first attack. There was nothing stopping you carrying out a tactical retreat and launching another offensive, you don't see me crying that my first 40mm round didn't paralyse your creature and leave it easy for my Mech to eliminate, because I don't dictate to people what damage they -should- take. It's not a right one has in T1 Eden Era fighting.
And finally, though convenient that the Mech is not blinded on its left side, ultimately the damage sustained I have judged based upon the reference picture. The right hand side would take the brunt of a blow from a massive rock, because it is higher, and therefore that is the side that is blinded. Once again, half blinding an opponent with your first attack that was far from optimal and based upon a lot of fortunate circumstances (picking up a rock while climbing up a Mech and avoiding being smashed into the wall for one, avoiding the grab another) I hardly feel you have a right to dictate that more damage should be sustained.
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Well darn... will this be a permanent absence, or are you just taking a break for a while?
Hard to say, usually I take these breaks until I feel like RPing again, which tends to be a couple of months at most. If the desire to RP doesn't come back or I'm busy writing dissertations and whatnot it could be permanent, who knows.
I've already read your proposal and said what I think of it. I'm not going to disregard logic and take unrealistic damage to make things more convenient for you. I've asked Innue to take a look, so hopefully you can accept their decision one way or another.
You haven't debunked a damn thing, you're just repeating the same conclusion with really poor analogies. A good attack, as I explained, would have been to try and impact the Optics directly, rather than hammering on the top of the armour like a caveman and attempting to outstrength a mechanical walker. The only description I gave in regards to the shock resistance of the Optics is the armour value of the front of a Tiger tank. So how's this analogy, take your rock and slam it into a tiger tank and come back to me with the results. Not to mention, the size of the rock would just count against it, you should look into pressure and how it works. In fact, I never really said anything other than that about the strength of the Mech's Optics, so for all intents and purposes that's how hard it is to break. Your analogies about glass are completely irrelevant, as Ramor is not earth and their materials are not the same.
The Mech literally has been scratched, now you're just lying. Despite how woefully ineffective I suspected the attack would be it still wiped out the protruding lens you can see in the reference picture, which is why the Mech is now blind on its right side. You just refuse to accept this damage because without complete blindness your creature is dead, because you decided to dive through the Mech's arms. If you had carried out a sensible retreat you could have exploited the damage you did do. Instead, you've decided to argue for more damage, congratulations, you're just as bad as me, if not worse.
You haven't debunked a damn thing, you're just repeating the same conclusion with really poor analogies. A good attack, as I explained, would have been to try and impact the Optics directly, rather than hammering on the top of the armour like a caveman and attempting to outstrength a mechanical walker. The only description I gave in regards to the shock resistance of the Optics is the armour value of the front of a Tiger tank. So how's this analogy, take your rock and slam it into a tiger tank and come back to me with the results. Not to mention, the size of the rock would just count against it, you should look into pressure and how it works. In fact, I never really said anything other than that about the strength of the Mech's Optics, so for all intents and purposes that's how hard it is to break. Your analogies about glass are completely irrelevant, as Ramor is not earth and their materials are not the same.
The Mech literally has been scratched, now you're just lying. Despite how woefully ineffective I suspected the attack would be it still wiped out the protruding lens you can see in the reference picture, which is why the Mech is now blind on its right side. You just refuse to accept this damage because without complete blindness your creature is dead, because you decided to dive through the Mech's arms. If you had carried out a sensible retreat you could have exploited the damage you did do. Instead, you've decided to argue for more damage, congratulations, you're just as bad as me, if not worse.
Note to all:
I am around to judge, but I'm not consistent with checking on here. Be sure to harass Dazsos or Yosh if you need me for judging. Unfortunately, I can't update standings or anything. I'll make a note of ones that need to be updated next time Rilla can get to it.
If you have an interest in this sort of thing would you mind chiming in on a dispute between me and Doc in an unranked match? I can post the link, the argument is revolving around the amount of damage Doc believes I should incur from an attack, I've made my counter arguments, Doc has disregarded them and insists upon a certain degree of damage in a very specific area (needless to say the damage would be highly convenient for one side.)
roleplayerguild.com/topics/91652-runni..
That's not what circular reasoning is, at best you could argue the argument is cyclical, though fully of your own volition because you ran out of counter-arguments. The burden of proof is with you, as they say, you're the one suggesting I have to take a certain amount of damage, I've calmly explained why the attack was inefficient to do any more damage than I said.
I'm not telling you what damage you should take, as I've already explained, though the amount of 'near misses' and 'grazes' your character has incurred makes it somewhat ironic that you insist a poorly decided upon attack should do critical damage to my character's Mech.
I've already told you what I think of your proposal. The Optics are not destroyed outright, and after looking at the reference picture the right side is more vulnerable and therefore took the brunt of the 'shock' you were talking about. Therefore the vision to the right of the Mech is damaged, not that it matters in the slightest as you've put your character into a situation where it will die by literally diving into the Mech's loving arms.
If you cannot accept the damage I've decided to incur then we have two choices, you can quit, or we can find an impartial judge who can decide what damage should logically be incurred after we explain the situation. I'd recommend Pollen, if they're not too busy.
I'm not telling you what damage you should take, as I've already explained, though the amount of 'near misses' and 'grazes' your character has incurred makes it somewhat ironic that you insist a poorly decided upon attack should do critical damage to my character's Mech.
I've already told you what I think of your proposal. The Optics are not destroyed outright, and after looking at the reference picture the right side is more vulnerable and therefore took the brunt of the 'shock' you were talking about. Therefore the vision to the right of the Mech is damaged, not that it matters in the slightest as you've put your character into a situation where it will die by literally diving into the Mech's loving arms.
If you cannot accept the damage I've decided to incur then we have two choices, you can quit, or we can find an impartial judge who can decide what damage should logically be incurred after we explain the situation. I'd recommend Pollen, if they're not too busy.
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