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Heroes of Beacon - the Next Chapter

Aaaand this...

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I googled "German Pride" and found this on the first page...



More to come soon...

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Today is a day I will drink Doctor Pepper to celebrate what good it has done, and I hope that even if we don't see eye to eye, we can at least continue to be friends.

@Lugubrious

Hey, of course we can still be friends. I was in a political debate club and stuff, so... yeah.
Also... that's why I'm German. Incredibly tolerant with other people who have a different opinion to mine... xD ^.^
(which is a pretty new mindset in Germany, to be honest.)

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Sorry for posting again. Didn't refresh, xD

and yes... I'm a socialist... don't hate me... <.< >.>

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You're telling me that because you apparently know more than I already, after barely any debate, that I must believe you without sources? I must confess, I've never seen the list of 'human rights' outlined anywhere other than the US Constitution. The one you quoted intrigues me. I suppose 'dignity' means 'health'? People are starting to die in Australia, where socialized medicine has been the norm for a while. So few people are paying into the system, and so many are riding on it, that the government has no money to pay for all the health care and benefits are getting slashed. This information I received in part from a fellow guild member, Caits, an Australian citizen. Please, no need for crass language.

I don't remember saying 'free' health care. I know it's not free, because it costs money. That money is paid via taxes, by employers and employees alike, and in some European countries up to 50% of income is taken in taxes, perhaps more. The government then covers the residents.

The chart you've cited is 'proposed', and for two years ago. The current administration hasn't passed a budget in years, just continuing resolutions, and here's the current one, from an official site:


That's more on both health care and pensions than defense in the US.

@Lugubrious

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/#atop

Articles 1, 3 and 25 might be interesting for you. 25 is even the right for medical care.

Also, the German budget is about 300 billion Euros. Today that would be about $310 Billion. The US requested budget for 2015 is $3.9 Trillion. 22% of that is a lot. We have 11% and an unemployment rate of 6.2% decreasing very quickly.

That's more on both health care and pensions than defense in the US.

@Lugubrious

And that is bad why? Isn't it the main task of a country to provide the best quality of life for their citizens as possible?

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So, basically, history is what you make of it, and everyone is, or has the potential to be a lying asshole for something that happened so long ago.

Got it.

@KabenSaal

History is made by the victors. Just look at Germany. Because we lost, nobody remembers the civilians who were brutally slaughtered by the British and US bombers in devastating fires and hails of bombs as well as the strafing runs on civilians, which are still denied to have happened by the Americans.
Then the people who wanted to return home were killed just because they were Germans in the Territories of former Prussia and Sudetenland as well as the Elsass and Lothringen. Nobody will thinks of them and nobody will, because they were casualties of the losing side. Or the victims of the first two atomic bombs ever dropped on humans.

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Kaben, I suppose you are right--fighting to break free from a position beneath the foot of tyrannical colonial rule involved murder, and taking away land and resources from a cross-country British empire to establish an independent nation was theft. If you're going to sling insults and generalizations rather than actually contribute to a debate, then you may be silent.

@Lugubrious

http://spectator.org/articles/38933/americas-unjust-revolution-what-british-tyranny

Why didn't Canada rebel, then?
Also... Canada resolved the issues with Britain peacefully.

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Anything that costs money is not a right, it is a commodity. I don't know what stats you've been looking at, but the economies of European countries right now are downright awful. Only Germany and Britain are even industrial nations anymore. Just look how well socialized medicine is working for Greece at the moment.

The military in the US employs millions of people. Cut it off, and you've got even more people stuffed into a poor job market. Plus, there's the whole war going on right now against an extremist group that wants to kill us for our basic ideals of freedom.

@Lugubrious

1. I can say for certain that I have more knowledge than you about this topic, so you do have to believe me. The European countries are doing way better economically than the US. The US loses as much money per day as Germany is in debt. And Greece is like 250 billion in debt. That's basically peanuts. And when people are dying because they cannot afford a doctor this is absolutely unacceptable and violates the first human right. "The dignity of a human being must be preserved" And such a thing is just so backwards. We don't live in the fucking 19th century anymore.
And I also think you have a wrong image of health care in Europe. It is not "free" per se. A fixed amount is payed by the Employer and another fixed amount is deducted from your wage to pay to your insurance company, which is only slightly subsidized.

2. To military spending:
I think these two graphics picture perfectly what is wrong with the US military spending.



Military spending of the US vs the rest of the world (washington post)

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Affordable care is a human right. And the European countries all have very good health care and that's certainly not having a big impact on economy.
One good step would be... get rid of a good portion of the massive military. It's absolutely insane how much money the US spends on military...

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The "We Americans are better than anybody else" is something, I'm honestly pretty sick of. I mean, it remembers me a lot of history class. particularly German history from 1933-1945. *wink wink*