Rilla

The Hunt for the Bestial Keys: Penguin

The cold water splashed and swam around him as powerful strokes propelled him forward. He dipped down, slightly turning his head and saw that instead of swimming in a straight line, Pongo had elected to take the diagonal route.

Well shit.

It was far though, Kei'taro, no matter what manner of beasts he hung out with was still based in human physiology. He was more durable, stronger, magical, and could communicate with animals he came across, but he was still effectively human. And that meant, well, he couldn't exactly dive as deep or as fast as an Emperor Penguin. He had to rely on short, steady, but powerful bursts to keep the race close. And if possible, he had to rely on his wits.

Presumably, he could communicate with the leopard seals and the orcas, perhaps get them on his side to help win the challenge. He had learned from the race up a mountain, a contrast to diving deep in the water, that one had to incorporate more than speed and strength to win a race in an animals natural habitat.

With that, he kicked off and propelled himself in a slightly diagonal manner. He didn't sacrifice much speed, but continued to regulate his breathing as he dove downward. His eyes danced from left to rignt, up and down, occasionally, looking for one of the animals in which to assist him.

Either would do, and as it so happened, down below a pack of leopard seals swam gracefully - as if unaware of the participants above. Keeping station, he headed towards them and the pack of squids halfway between the floes.

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SKALLY RUSH

-shot-

Damn it.

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I'm thinking a demonstration is in order, during which(perhaps if Innue and Skallagrim) both can demonstrate their respective points during the posts.

It's one thing to explain it. Another to actually put it in motion.

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Well any gunfighter worth their salt is going to try and get close in-order to get you in the kill-zone. I am not firing from a distance unless I need to, to many things can go wrong. Even the best sniper misses. No, I want you as close as possible while still keeping me safe.

@Skallagrim

then you working for that. hahahaha.

I'm posting today. I've just gotta get my baby stuff stacked out in the living room for ease of movement, then I'm good.

i believe I'm gonna enjoy my story with Pikatok, it should be a good one, as well as working within the limits of a human diving under water.

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I'm thinking, if you're gonna fight a gun user, and you not have any, you should probably always go to bat for a cover-rich field(not an open plain, or a DBZ like arena; but a forest, a building, somewhere you have places to hide), and feasibly not start off that close.

otherwise, really nothing stopping a sniper from just starting/getting in position and picking people off 2 posts into the match.

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The fire isn't typically moving at a speed that it is actually undodgeable.

We can also address how you can do that if you wish to apply real world behavior to it.

@Innue

in some instances, its close enough, that people shouldn't - but still do - dodge it and only get a little singe.

but as far as a fantasy match up, I wouldn't see a problem with dodging it, at a great enough distance. the way people end up describing everything anyway, they usually don't 'miss' any thing, so if you're aiming at me, or moving into position to aim, with a gun, or a fire staff, or pointing stick of doom - anyone's inital reaction is to run, and dodge. Unless they are A) completely confident, B) frozen stiff out of fear, or C) In a movie/book

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Well, it's not invalid, because I am also a complete incompetent with a gun, can't move quickly, don't have superhuman accuracy, etc, so we're effectively at the same tier (potentially he would be even higher.) and I'd still almost always win.

I don't understand your point about the lack of control however, if the person launching an attack can't choose how they're attacking and then gauge their success at pulling off an action (not landing an attack, but performing it) then I don't see who can. It would be a little bullshit if the person being attacked could throw off your aim by essentially controlling your character and just saying they missed their target.

It is a cyclical debate though, I believe it's just best to set up characters around the same genre, tech v tech, magic v fantasy, it's better for all involved.

It only really becomes an issue in tournaments, with forced match-ups.

@MelonHead

I think mainly what he is saying, is after release(unless the person can then control the released energy, as some presumably can). Hence the arrow reference. You can point, and shoot, but from then on, it's down to a hope and a prayer. It's different if you can then twitch a finger or two to control the direction of your projectile.

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personally, I would either not fight them, or treat them like magic.

As Skally said, we have no issue avoiding lightning bolts, or any other form of magic, so why should bullets be any different. Sure, real world rules apply and all, but at some point we'd have to address why I can shoot magic bolts of electricity from my fingers.

in other words, dodge it like you would anything else. You see a person aiming a fire staff at you, you run and dodge, and generally try and stay out of the fire thats surely coming. Do that with a gun. If they aren't prepped/adequately aimed, chances are they aren't gonna be accurate(unless its anime, or something, where you can lazily point and shoot), I believe the general term is 'firing from the hip', which isn't wholly accurate anyway.

another is 'spray and pray'

Sure, my idea may cause some issues as it seems like I'm slowing down the speed of the bullets, but I do that with magic anyway. Actually, of late, Frokane is the only one who hasn't tried to dodge something that, in the real world, would be virtually impossible to dodge(See: Kusanagi).

So yeah, dodge is like you do magic, or toss up that fancy shield, raise that solidly packed dirt. Howver you would dodge in a magic fire fight, do it with guns; unless the fight is strictly real world based.

want an example? Try and remember Gunfight For No Reason. No way those were supposed to last past the first one or two posts.

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what do you feel are the underlying issues of firearms?

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tubba, feel free to ask in tge FAQ thread, or PM me.

Melon, honestly, you can probably say they missed. Hahaha. at greater ranges it becomes easier to play off, but at shorter ranges, not so much. But yeah, inhuman accuracy doesn't amount to a whole lot, as often sheets aren't written in reference to another person.

so still, you can be inhumanly accurate, but youre going up against someone who isn't acting like you wrote in your sheet. Plus with the whole prepping business.