The 42nd Gecko

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@Mega Birb Hibiki scored the first sniper kill of the game, on Victoire. #ThingsIKeepTrackOf

Also, you know as well as I do that Hanzo is a sniper, and you will lose when you have two of him and three Widowmakers.

Zyata's.. Minor. If the amazons ever show up again, I'll have her in the crowd.

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@TheWindel You are correct, they don't seem to have used them on double check. My error.

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@Mega Birb

Sliske: I like Sliske, he's cool.

Torag: I'd also say his lack of range is a weakness. Also, he's so slow that he's never actually gotten to fight anything but a Killa Kan or two, right?

Syphax: I honestly hope so. I thought from the tone of the discussion that Corrin was completely toying with him. But I hope to be wrong!

Marquis: So, are Zyata, Hibiki, and Zealot, all on vacations?

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@TheWindel I don't believe anyone "spent" their thunderstone purely on attack power, I'll double check, but I do believe they were assuming that they would be receiving some sort of buff from the thunderstones.

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I...think this is something you need to be discussing with the RPers of these characters.

@TheWindel

When I'm saying that there are two groups that the players seem to be splitting into, those who are growing exponentially to try and keep up with Juno and those who aren't, the RPers in question is "Everyone".*

Some of the issues have been resolved, such as Endian's anti-teleport, resulting in the creation of the Shadow Lists. What I'm saying is that I think this was a solution to a symptom, and not the underlying cause.

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Now hold on a minute. Did the thunderstones specifically buff up their attacks? If not, then of course the boss is going to counter because your attacks are not buffed. If so, then that's on me.

@TheWindel

There's a big disconnect along the lines of "Dora assumed she had to hammer the thunderstones into buffs for other people and give those to them, but got killed before she could" and "Everyone else assumed they just had to be given thunderstones to get buffed and so took thunderstones from Dora before she got killed".

This is honestly one of those things that makes me balk at the no edit policy, because without editting to resolve this, either Dora is an moron, or everyone who took a thunderstone is. Neither option really lends itself to a war epic, but instead a comedy of errors.

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*Aka, I'm just as bummed to see Grafdakka grow so fast I'll never be able to fight him unless I pull an Imperator Titan out of my ass, as I am to see Tartys sitting and playing mournful music because she felt like all she did in the last battle was get saved by Omega. There's got to be some happy middle ground and I'm running my mouth so much because I would very much like to find it.

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Yes, this is a problem. You don't have to make OP characters of course and we don't require you to. But if you intentionally make a weak character and then complain about them being weak, then yes that's a problem and it is frustrating because the GMs can't do anything about it; you're the one who chose to make them weak after all.

@TheWindel

It wasn't a problem until Juno started showing up and our challenges, and some of the player base, started racing to catch up to Juno's presence. When I lost to Henry, I was a bit bummed, but Henry was pretty top tier, had a weapon that specifically countered me, and such. I was eager to get back on the horse, upgraded the Daimyo, and wanted round two.

Then Juno showed up, and after I dodged/countered the first attack, she by action said "No, you can't damage me, and you are no longer permitted to dodge, immediately take damage." Ok. Not much I can do about that, but maybe I can hope to not fight Juno.

But then both Henry and Grafdakka started growing (very literally in Grafdakka's case) to try and catch up to Juno so that they could be meaningful in the fight. Henry established his new defense to be so high that Miyu could never hope to scratch him, even when he didn't have the silver eye armor up. Grafdakka grew to the size of a mountain, and my dreams of an awesome mecha fight got crushed as easily as the Daimyo would get crushed underfoot by the new Grafdakka. I felt there was a split growing between people who were growing new powers (there was quite the kerflufle about teleport blocking shenanigans) or establishing their power levels so generally high to be able to compete with Juno, and those who were staying true to their original power levels more in tune with the fighting shown at the Elicitor battle.

When Corrin showed up as a counter to Juno in the next battle, Syphax launched an all or nothing attack, with support from Omega and Tartys, all of whom got had just gotten thunderstones. Corrin immediately responded with "I effortlessly counter all your attacks, and launch my own attacks with them." I'm honestly expecting this to be a contest between Juno and Corrin, where all the other characters limp off when they realize "Your power level is not tall enough to ride this ride." With Juno creating the void path to exit and telling everybody else to take it, and Corrin exclaiming how weak and worthless they are which explains why they were dragged into said meaningless war, I feel like that's what you and KoL intended.

I feel like I made a character who could have had fun, and then the power level required to be more than an audience member went up faster than I was able to compensate for. And, I am frustrated with that. But I'm willing to just table Miyu until enough turns offscreen have passed that she can show up with a more appropriate powerset, while I play with my new characters who can play with the new established base powerlevel.

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That's just about half of it. The constant attempts to subvert the fact that characters from opposing factions should not mingle together (not like this and, certainly, not now), as well as all sorts of complaints about this or that character being useless for reason x or y, despite the fact that we impose about no restriction on character creation, thus whoever is weak, is so by their own choice, voiding their rights to complain about being "useless".

Those are my main points of discontentment.

@KoL

So, KoL's main points of discontentment, which I would like to address, because I want KoL to feel better, and I think it will make me feel better too.

1. Characters acting out of character.
I think I've cleared it up. It's pretty darn in character for Miyu. I just wasn't getting that point across, because I didn't know that was what you were against with the cross-factional relations. Now that I know your main problem is people acting OOC, and not that cross-faction relations are innately a bad thing, I think we're good. Hell, I've still got Miyu's court strategy if she get's taken to task for fraternizing, back from when she was assumed to be a traitor at Alt Signia, and that could be fun roleplaying.

2. It's my fault for being weak, so I shouldn't complain.
Miyu was just a poorly designed character because I didn't understand, you're correct. I'll go ahead and drop her out of combat so that we don't have to bother with it anymore, and I will use my new characters at the "slightly weaker than Juno" power level, if that is what is expected.

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@TheWindel I'm just trying to find out what the goals of the roleplay are that I was working counter to.

As far as I can see, there are two problems, I am directly involved in.

1. I didn't remind KoL that Miyu, occasionally known as Revolver Ocelot, who betrayed her love interest, and who tried to throw a cross-faction birthday party, has character traits that means she likes making friends even across factions, but will still continue to fight them even after making friends. This made KoL frustrated that I seemed to be acting out of character out of sheer desire to throw wonkey wrenches.

2. I didn't make Miyu strong enough, and that complaining about that is frustrating KoL.

On the subject of that: I had this post in the works in response to your "A simple reminder can do wonders."

@TheWindel Indeed, and I think we should be willing to help each other with mistakes.

Not a one person looked at Miyu when she was being accepted (I went back and checked) and said "Hey, that looks kinda weak compared to captain instant teleport, super strong, super durable, super fast, gravity manipulation, black hole summoning, strong enough to wreck entire armies alone with a single aoe gravity attack, can go super saiyan, and is maybe holding the boundaries of the universe together. You shouldn't be quite that strong, but able to fight on the same battlefield as a meaningful contributor is expected."

If slightly less than Juno was the expected power level, I would have appreciated a reminder of that when I made Miyu. I built my character to the schematics of "I want to have a fun fight with Grafdakka". Back before Grafdakka had the eyes and became a mountain sized behemoth. I expected that there would be a slow build up to people like Juno showing up in every fight, that we would have had plenty of battles to slowly grow powers and develop into unique Demonic/Machina/Angelic assets equivalent to the likes of Juno. I was wrong, and I would have appreciated correction on the matter.

I'd also note, that when I had Miyu block one attack from Ni-Mu, KoL was incredulous for a moment that Miyu should be able to block it. I went with a "Well, yes, it says in my bio I was designed for this, and if I also make it so that it burns the shields out, is that ok?" And the KoL didn't raise any more fuss, so I thought it was just ok after those concessions. There wasn't a "Well, since you need to start boosting your power level, and your bio said you had that power, don't burn the shields out. Just establish that if Ni-Mu splits her focus and launches two attacks in one round, you can block half her attacks as easily as she can launch it." That would have been a very nice, and generous, reminder.

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@TheWindel Didn't I give you a dissertation on Miyu's character motivations that you passed on?

And forget that, see:

I wanted to establish Unity more strongly among her themes. Remember the upgrade I proposed? Her themes are supposed to be Unity and Betrayal.

@The 42nd Gecko

This was posted in my shadow list with all the GM's as a witness. If only I'm too blame for not making my character strong enough, you guys are the only ones to blame for thinking this proposed action was out of character.

Unity and Betrayal, capitalized and next to each other, even.

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@TheWindel "apartment directly behind Alex's"

The key is the "'s" after Alex. But if I remove that, we can use your post as is without Zealot looking like an idiot. Shall I do that?