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8 yrs ago
Current I RP for the ladies
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8 yrs ago
#Diapergate #Hugs2018
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9 yrs ago
I fucking love catfishing
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9 yrs ago
Every time I insult a certain coworker, i'll take money from their jar. Saving for beer would never be easier!
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9 yrs ago
The Jungle Book is good.
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In NaNoWriMo 11 yrs ago Forum: Spam Forum
I'm doing NaNo as well. My first year actually making a dedicated solo effort at it. Two years ago I did a collab with four of my friends. We got to 250,000 words of not-entirely-contiguous plot and weren't sure if that qualified us as winners or not. Also we wrote it in February, buuut.... anyway. I'm excited to try it this year.

And yes, we have a NaNo provision in our RPGC this month. Promise.


Yeh, you guys won. They didn't say it has to be a polished novel, just a novel. So long as you put forth an effort to tell any story at all in 50k words per person, you won.
"Maintaining ones money" isn't a thing. Sure, government takes a shit ton of your money if you are in a higher tax bracket, and for a country that isn't supposed to be taxed like that per Constitutional regulation, it is 100% understandable that people would want to change that. Other than that, the only way to "maintain you money" is to not spend it.


Well, no no no, at this level most of their money is in investments that must be 'maintained'. They aren't sitting on hard cash necessarily, or at least most of their wealth isn't in hard cash, but rather in capital who's value is entirely conditional. The value of stock in an oil company, for instance, is only worth as much as that company's ability to turn a profit.

One percenters refers to people in the top 1 percent of the tax bracket. It has nothing to do with who a person is politically affiliated with, nor does it have anything to do with how they spend or use their money.


I am aware what it means, i'm just saying that the term gets abused a bit. Saying that most politicians are 1 percenters doesn't mean much because, as you said, it is just a tax bracket and doesn't necessarily describe as strong a divide in society as, say, the difference between people who make their entire income off of owning capital and people who's livelihood is based on some sort of work or service.

Again, I am not saying that money can't be used in a negative way. I am saying money is an amoral thing. Just like a gun.

You can pick up a gun to rob a store, or you can use it to stop a woman from being raped.

You can use money to build a homeless shelter, or you can use it to fund drug runners.

Blaming it on the money, for the intent of the person who is using it, is naive and doesn't make sense. Government is something that, throughout the ages, has been highly corrosive. Government has the power to control masses in ways that make people like Stalin or Hitler fawn over and kill to keep. Pol Pot killed all the white people in his country when he took it over just so he could maintain economic power over then, and ended up destroying his entire counties economic system for it.

And American government is proving each day that its corrupt and flexing those muscles. Fmr General Portreaus was completely destroyed by his mistress handling classified materials inappropriately, but personal email using Hillary Clinton does the same thing (and so far according to the FBI, quite a bit of) with classified materials and she skates the system like its highschool.

You clearly are stuck in your position and it really might not be worth continuing this little debate. So, enjoy your Halloween and I'll see you around eventually.


Ok, a few things about your terms. Your first point negates the second; in the same way money is just a concept or tool, so is government. All a government is, when you break it down, is the term we use to to describe entities that can make and enforce laws. And these things happen completely naturally. If you were to get rid of our bureaucratic form of government, something else would inevitably take its place. If it were me, I'd place my bets on competent owners of important swaths of property enforcing a sort of proto-feudalistic system of strong-man law, but shit... this really hasn't happened enough times in the modern world to get a good handle on what would truly happen. The closestwe have actually gotten to this sort of scenario is third world governments in places like Somalia and Yemen where, when the government collapses, it is replaced by tribal affiliations and crime bosses. But that is there, we don't know what the righteous fuck would happen here, and I would hate to know.

The reality, as you accepted with money but denied with government, is that people are confusing and fickle things in which no single law can ever completely organize. The Libertarians commit the same mistake (I say this as a ex-libertarian. We all make mistakes when we are young) as the Communists in thinking that all you have to do is knock out one corrupt institution and history is over, we are done, we can all be happy.

Corruption is going to happen because everybody is generally out for their own good. No matter what institution you have, there will be problems. The nice thing about our government is that at the very least, we can fucking vote for government officials. In my opinion, that is the best tool we have available to us regardless of how imperfect the entire system is.

And as for the amorality of objects in general, I agree with the principle, but assuming we aren't worried about justice for inanimate objects, everybody across the board generally agrees we should police objects on some level. Like, no matter how right wing anybody is, I doubt you could find many people who would defend an average citizen's right to own a fully armed nuclear bomb. It is an object too, and a completely amoral one, but allowing just anybody to have one is irresponsible. Once we've all agreed that property rights have some reasonable limitations, the goal for all of us is to find what degree of limitation is best for the common good.
Are you harvesting those hearts yourself? Because, you know, if you have any leftover virgins laying around the house, I'll take those off your hands for you. Free of charge. Seriously, it'd be my pleasure.
I've taken up the task of reading the bible here recently (I'm also going to tackle the Quran, but I got it on Amazon and it has taken it more than a month to arrive. I guess they have to check it for bombs or some shit.)

Anyway, yeh. The Mosaic law is absolutely fruity, nobody in their right mind would run a modern country on it. We aren't going to chop off the hands of women who grab their husband's attackers by the balls either (Deuteronomy 25:11). And can you imagine what looks you would get if you seriously advocated Jubilee's
No, but i'll still eat it because i really like candy.
What time does spam start handing out candy?
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Well yeah, I mean every single one of the Dem candidate's are "One Percenters".

I don't believe that having money or using money is morally wrong. Money is amoral. The corruption comes from the heart, not the amount of money that someone has.


Well, people are more complicated then that. Money in general isn't innately evil (you aren't being evil when you purchase a stereo for instance, unless it is an evil stereo), but money does represent power in our system. Arguably more so than individual government office does, especially in our system of checks and balances. Power isn't innately evil either, but the quest for power taps into a lot of strong human desires and emotions, and the maintenance of power does the same.

So if you take an especially rich donor - any rich donor, I'm not specifying which political affiliation - they will be most likely driven quite strongly to maintain their money. Even if what they do is morally questionable, the fact that that thing is why they are so wealthy can easily blind them to it's moral problems. And if they can use their money to buy legislation, and they can buy politicians so that popular opposition is quenched, that is corruption. The problem with making it your own political goal as an average citizen to protect these people is peculiar, because they can clearly look after themselves politically at the moment, but the same can't be said for the rest of us.

As for 1 percenters, that is a meaningless phrase really. I have an uncle that technically fits in this category but he isn't exactly influencing the political process with his wealth. What makes a person part of the super-wealthy (or aristocracy, lets call it what it is) is their ability to live souly off of the interest on their capital. And in that case... surprisingly, not all candidates fit that bill. It doesn't even cut completely across political boundaries.

So anyway, to your thesis, I don't think corruption is an innate trait. Clearly you need something to be corrupt for, and money is the most obvious candidate. There are plenty of snake-oil salesmen and con-men in this world being corrupt among us commoners of course, but they don't have the capital to purchase politicians like the aristocratic hucksters have, so it would be dishonest to paint both as equally problematic. And there really isn't any reason to make excuses for them unless you think you will somehow get that much money (hint: you won't.)
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17 of the top 20 political donor organizations are Worker's Unions. So its not like the left has any less donors than the right.

And who cares? They make their money, they can use it how they want.


Well, the concern is that contributions from especially wealthy people creates corruption. If a politician's career is dependent on a few especially wealthy contributors, then those politicians will be under quite a bit of pressure to do what those contributors want despite what the consequences are. This is a problem all across the board - I'm a leftie through and through, but I'm not going to pretend the Dems are somehow not beholden to big money as well. Shit, both main parties are terminally corrupt.

So yeh, it is important to care. Just because a person can legally claim something as their property doesn't mean they are relieved of all moral obligations. If you don't believe that, ask the King of France. Or Jefferson Davis for that matter.

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The Koch Foundation is the 14th largest organizational political donor in the U.S. Among private individuals, the two Koch brothers themselves are #10 and #25.


Yeh, I thought it would be more accurate to say something more generic like "The wealthy" or whatever, but I decided to go down the lazy "Koch" road for the pop culture cred.
>Not likening any political debate in Witcher terms.

Bernie would obviously be Iorveth, or Yeavinn.

And maybe Trump would be King Radovid "the top cunt" V.


Trump is Radovid. To make Redania great again, you have to kick out all the Mexicans Mages.

Ben Carson is The Bloody Baron. He has experience with medical anomolies, but no matter what he does he'll end up playing second fiddle to Trump.

Chris Christie is Dijkstra. Like, if you know Witcher and you know the politic cycle, this doesn't need explaining.

Carly Fiorina is... I don't know, I can't come up with anything.

Rand Paul is Aryan La Valette. All he wants is for the government to leave him and his friends alone.

Jeb Bush is Birna Brand. He's annoyed that the crown doesn't stay in the family and is working to change that.

Huckabee is Caleb Menge. Nothing pleases his heart more than the smell of a burning heretic.

Obama is Foltest. He's really damned cool, but people tend to get pissed at him easily.

Sanders is Saskia the Dragonslayer. His views are considered too Utopian by most, but he holds sway over some backwoods mountain territory with a name that starts with a V.

Hillary is Phillipa Eilhart. You don't know what she is planning exactly, and she has the women's vote.

And the Koch Brothers are Emhyr var Emreis. It doesn't matter what happens to the rest, they are going to win in the end.
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