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Is this just a matter of how many universes we as players imagine there are that exist? Because my headcanon is that there are so many universes that I can't even begin to fathom a fraction of how many there are, but there aren't unlimited.


That is mine as well, and I believe David's.
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Shinji:

*looks to Maddie*

We're going to destroy genesis. I need sjin to hack into his program drive and limit his powers, so we can destroy him. Let's just hope he hasn't gotten stronger...


This was to Mister Strange.
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No, it's called imaginary because no number can be squared to return a negative number; you would be forced to invent an entirely new number system- which someone did. I hold that equations could likely be solved with another formula, using strictly real numbers. Regarding faster than light, there is no reason a particle moving at that speed would somehow change formulas to include imaginary principles, and while there may not be mathematical objections (technically), there are physics objections, due to anything traveling at the speed of light would require infinite energy, or no mass. Because, in this aspect (due to formulas and concept) mathematics and physics are intertwined, there is no way of separating them, causing a concept violating physics to violate mathematical laws, and vice versa.


The entirely new number system exists just as the irrational numbers were entirely new, but they exist as well. We invented the irrationals to square the circle. We invented the complex numbers to take the square root of negative numbers. The real numbers are either positive, negative, or zero. Any negative number multiplied by itself is positive, just as any positive number, and 0 squared is 0. No real number can be squared to arrive at a negative number. Thus, we came up with the complex numbers. But people didn't like that, and they called it imaginary. The imaginary numbers are no more imaginary than the irrational numbers are irrational--that is, not at all.
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Sjin: *Silent for a few moments*
... You ever wonder why we're here?


-Maddie- *giggles*
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Sjin: Your choice! Do whatever you want, mate!

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MS: Maddie?


-Maddie- Yuppers! Actually, can we outline what we're going to do one more time to make sure we have everything ready? I can move us back to the base once we've gotten the guy, but what are we doing to get him?

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Shinji:

Sorry, caught me off-guard and I'm still a bit pumped from the fight.

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Are you human?

*looks over to Avis*

Are you okay? I was focused on the battle and lost track of you and Liz.


It's fine. Everybody makes mistakes.
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By the concept of imaginary numbers, by definition, cannot be achieved in real life. And the problem with quantum theories is that they're nearly pure assumptions, and beliefs in particles that "have to be there" because we have no other explanation, currently, similar to Dark Matter.


What is the concept of imaginary numbers such that they cannot be achieved in real life? They're only called imaginary because of the derogatory term for it. Rather, discard your conception of these numbers being imaginary and work from there to see if they really are imaginary or not. Complex numbers are simply numbers that involve the square root of a negative number--which we get if a particle moves faster than light. There are no mathematical objections to the idea of a particle moving faster than light other than saying that a particle can't have an "imaginary" mass. But there's no way to say that a particle can't have an "imaginary" mass unless you have the preconception that imaginary masses must be imaginary.

Before I put any thought into this, I made sure not to bias myself toward the idea that the concept of imaginary numbers must be imaginary, per their name. Discard that bias and then look at my logic--there is nothing to say we can't have a complex mass unless you say a particle can't move faster than light.
When the arguments you have with your friends are disagreements about scientific and mathematical concepts rather than the disagreements that other friends experience, you know you and your friends are different. xD
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What are you even talking about? I can have a third of a pie or a third of something else. Pi is a concept that's actually a thing. There is no counterpart to imaginary numbers.


The imaginary mass of tachyons is also a concept that's actually a thing. Once we find tachyons, we'll have a thing that is imaginary in the real world.

(The length of the circumference of a unit circle is an irrational length, and you mentioned the length of the circumference as a real world counterpart. By that logic, the imaginary mass of tachyons is a real world counterpart.)
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It was heavily implied. Regardless, they do not truly "represent something," (which is the equivalent to "real world counterpart).

Perfect third, a circle's radius circumference by its diameter, etc.

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I'm good.


>"represent something"
>imaginary mass
If an irrational length is a real world counterpart, then so is an imaginary mass.
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*Sighs*
I never said that we don't use them. I said that they have no real world counterparts.


You said no such thing. You probably interpreted your statement that way, but I thought your statements referred to usefulness, which they specifically did refer to in your latest post. The closest you said to "no real world counterparts" is they "represent something" and complex numbers do represent things like changes in the state of a system between two times.

Also, what do irrationals represent in the real world? As in, like how positive and negative integers represent things.
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