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I mean conflict is a a very good plot device for more interesting developments to happen and Mistiel IIRC made this faction on a whim. So I can see the benefit in Mezzo behaving like assholes. It's the quickest way for something unique to happen.

Anyone want to be a poor unfortunate soul lost out in the Dust Sea, near death or on the way to it, for Ridahne to find? You could come to Atakhara and get cuddles from Mitaja..... :D
Hmm, in case it turns out my feelings were misplaced and I do remain in this NRP... I do have an interesting character for that.
Being Yelinor the deserts would be extra dangerous to them anyways. :P

To preface, I am in agonizing back pain at the moment and needed to distract myself. Normally I would not do something so pointlessly stupid. Also I'm on muscle relaxants and in pain so, grain of salt.
I am regretful to hear that and regardless thank you for the help.

But here we are. Willy's claim is 38509 pixels.

The distance from 10N to 67N is ~6324km. On the image it is 947 pixels.

So 6324/947 gives us a rough value of 6.68km to one pixel. Pixels are square units, but since that measurement gives us one side we know that a pixel square is about 44.6 km squared.

So one pixel is 44.6 km squared.

38509 * 44.6 = 1,717,501 km squared.

This is extremely generous given how I selected his stuff, so pare it down to 1.5 or something.
Oh, I thought you used a program to calculate the amount of purple pixels. Although with high levels of transparency that may not work, now that I think of it.
I personally used simple rectangular approximations and length dividends of the distance between 10 to 67 latitude (the only fix number we have). Galhonore (Southern continental holdings) being a 1/4th length multiplied by 1/12th length. The majority of the Northern continental holdings can be approximated to IIRC a 1/8th x 1/8th square. The remainder can be imagined to fit in an 1/8th x 1/16th claim.
I need to redo the measurements to confirm these numbers but that's how I remember the way I did it.

The size is irrelevant. The issue is that you're trying to be Great Britain while living in a climate less hospitable than iceland Willy. Canada is huge, but most of it is frigid wasteland. Magic can only go so far before there just isn't anything to eat. So Aaron is right, make your homeland somewhere worth living.
My core worlds' landmass is bigger than Sweden and roughly at the same latitude with plenty of water access. This is no paradise but neither is unlivable, especially since a number of those islands are actually in the moderate climate zone so even just derived from the longitude this is better off than Sweden. And the Swedish Empire was a powerful nation in its time in spite of its low population.
Following the colonization of islands their next target was further up North so no problem. As for the Southern conquest it's still something I wouldn't call impossible. It depends on the state the region was in. If it were a powerful nation say comparable to medieval France then perhaps Yllendthyr would've never taken them. But not all nations are as strong as West European major powers. Nor the land which is now Galhonore was necessarily united.

Anyways, when me and Aaron were talking about the size the topic involved a ruling which meant newer players should have smaller nations. My only response to that was the fact my nation is already considered smaller than what most of the old players were making. And I am fine being smaller and less important than them.

I have no problem with the idea of changing details about my nation. I have problem when the follow up response is passive aggressive and authoritative. To my knowledge I did not provoke such a response and it rubs me in the wrong way.

You're right. I better just abandon this game.
If a GM can't deal with people and resorts to threats then it tells me I wouldn't have a healthy roleplaying experience, anyways.
@Willy Vereb

I'm sorry to report in but your claims on territorial size claims is off. Your claiming yourself to be four-times larger than you really are, roughly. The benefit of tossing in longitudinal lines is that they give me a spring board to work off of. The math roughly coming down to:

If the distance between 67 degrees north and 10 degrees north is 3929 miles, then breaking it down to eight handy square chunks of 241,081 miles square. Making a square that size, I could run comparisons of each constituent area, scaling things, and otherwise eyeballing it. The conclusion is that if we really need to open Pandorra's box of autism then the final result is roughly 441,981 miles square or 711,299.47 kilometers square. Recognizing of course landmasses that aren't totally square can always be a mess to calculate, I highly doubt in the end your total land area is 2,162,492 square kilometers.
I think you probably messed up the calculation because Galhonore alone (the one down South) is circa 660,000 square kilometers with your new scaling (I assumed 10 to 67 degrees latitude would be around 7700km, now it's closer to 6500) and that constitutes less than half my territory. In general when comparing with the previous scale it's about 70% of my past calculations so it'd most likely get down to 1,4000,000 square kilometers or so.

EDIT: I redid my calc with a different methodology which might yield more accurate rough figures, I've got above 1,200,000 square kilometers.

Per total population density to run that loose comparison, you're only slightly less dense than 14th century England, which is odd given how far north you are, and the sort of land that is that far north. You would be well within an area comparable to the Taiga Belt (Comparable in weather and soil condition to the green). And soil in the taiga isn't really that richest thing in the world, which leads me to being cynical over the stated population density on the revised total area and makes me ask: no matter what is your history, how does an Empire even form from a region where people would be subsisting by the very tips of their fingers? You're probably not going to be feeding a large population to be used to subdue other distant peoples from the north-western squiggle island.

Changing the size also changes the population figures, obviously. I took medieval Scandinavia as a basis for the islands and something like a severely lowballed France for Galhonore. This is why Galhonore effectively doubled the empire's population.

Anyways, there are numerous elements that can influence the habitability of my home islands and the assessment that Yllendthyr only had that when conquering the far North continent is of course inaccurate. There's a reason why the Yelinor spread to all those tiny yet overall significant number of islands.
Also the sparsety of Yelinor compared to the population of other races is a plot point for the Empire and partially the reason for their militarism.

Then there is to also add: I said sometime back that I want people signing up after the old interest check was left to drown to come in as smaller states. Something as spread out may not work.
You have ridiculous amount of empty lands. I don't quite see the idea in limiting other players to smaller holdings when you still have a lot of spaces to fill. That being said this is within your authority to do so I'll respect that.

Thankfully I am actually not a very large nation so I meet your criteria. If I have to guess those like Azuriabel are somewhere the in size range of China.

@Erik Tiber

This is my current claim, BTW (purple territories at far North). The large weirdly shaped island to the Northwest is Yllendost which serves as my homeland with the islands being either other elvish tribes conquered or later expansions.
I also planned the mountains perhaps having small dwarven communities.
As for goblins I likely take them as discriminated traveling minorities, most likely.
Albeit also might have a group of goblins down South who live as indentured servants to centaur tribes.
@Willy Vereb At least you're not just copy-pasting like I saw someone else do earlier today ;P
Yeah, I tend to evolve the idea with each iteration while also adapting it to fit the setting.
I'll admit that probably porting Yllendthyr was harder actually than just writing something from scratch. I think it'll worth it, though.
@Willy Vereb Isn't that often the case? ;P
I have 5 different types of Yllendthyr now, and three of them are for medieval fantasy settings outright.
While I recycle elements I do feel it's important distinction to state which Yllendthyr I am talking about. :P

As I promised here's my prototype NS:
Got the key details down. Now I only need to work on smaller things like the minute elements of my history, exact social status of other races, names for a few of my holdings, etc.

@Archetype ZeroFun fact is that in a sense this NS is a reboot of my Yllendthyr from the New World NRP.
Though with a rather severe overhaul.

Oh and BTW, anyone wishes to establish some sorts of relation with Yllendthyr?
@Willy Vereb

Colonizers from what amounts to Sami-land climate then?
Quite similar. Actually since I use Tolkien's elvish which is based off his ancient Scandinavian and British isle language studies combined together you could even say my language also fits that environment to a degree.
I wish to write a bit more about my military until I post my prototype NS but you'll see it soon.



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Well, here's a thought game to play:

If the Roman empire comes from Roman as a demonym for a resident of Rome, then to be cheeky the same logic can be rolled out for the RP and pointing to how Gorgenmast is set up in the old imperial capital, he takes up the name of the Empire, and the Empire is spoke of as the city.

Bing bang boom.
That does help a lot. I know this is a minor plot detail for me but I wanted to be accurate.
Thank you!

In any case: immediate things that stick out to me that you need to answer: Your people spill out across two language zones but I'm so far not reading a lot of indication that this is being considered. Terkhazia - the northern coast lands to that last major bend in the river - is its own thing of pseudo-Slav speak and then there's the the Old Imperial Language quarters. Unless in the past they invaded in great force from somewhere else and thus probably had enough of a large ruling class over top that actively refused to speak either-or then I'm not sure it would work given the language geography. So your nation also plops you down in an area relevant to @Erik Tiber.
It's kind of like that. See the largest island in my possession, the one with rather unusual shape? That's Yllendost, the home island of the Yelinor. The rest are other islands they've gradually either colonized or taken over. Then some hundreds of years ago they began their imperial ambitions and kept expanding while also conquering other nations. Forget language regions, they have multiple species under the same empire including humans, elves, trolls, dwarves and even centaurs. Probably also goblins and orcs to some extend but I am undetermined on that. Will depend on what neighbors I get and so does their lifestyle in my empire. Would they be free, prohibited from moving, enslaved or even treated like animals? It all depends on what culture is at the region where I'd have greenskins ( if any).

As for culture they had their own thing going on for millennia in relative isolation out on the seas. If thousands of kilometers of water in isolation isn't a sufficient barrier to facilitate cultural differences then nothing will be.

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