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The Soviets have invaded the USA!
The commies are here to take your freedom away.
What are YOU gonna do about it?

Uncle Sam might be down, but he ain't out;
the Resistance are recruiting willing Americans
It's time to fight the red menace and take back our freedom!



Movie poster promoting Red Dawn, the movie that inspires this RP


TL;DR Summary:

- Alternate-History
- Modern, 2013 or so.
- The setting takes place in a resort town in Vermont; because the tourist season is usually on from summer through winter, lots of people have a reason to be in Vermont; this makes it easy for a character from Texas or California to wind up there somehow.
- The United States is no more; it is under occupation by the communist forces (see alternate history below).
- There are pockets of resistance, and the characters are part of this -- we probably start the RP as the Soviets are still consolidating their invasion and haven't quite taken over all of the US yet, but it's obvious that the US will fall.
- Moral themes will crop up, such as the efficacy of killing on the basis of suspicion and taking no chances with potential collaborators -- the KGB will be ruthless, taking friends and family hostage, using them against resistance fighters to make them into moles that provide them information.
- I am open to suggestions on where to place this RP geographically.
- The RP is meant to be psychological. Moral decisions, differences of opinion, expediency versus principle all come into play.
- Google Docs might wind up being used for collaboration.
- I'm limiting the number of ex-military characters and am applying very stringent standards on them -- I'd rather see people playing civilians or police or something instead of their ideal of what a SEAL is. A lot of the US military was destroyed in the initial onslaught of invasion, and are either KIA, WIA, MIA or POW's.
- If you're a chick and you're reading this, yes, girls can play guerrilla too.
- See the below section for character background ideas, though you can certainly come up with your own, too.
- Politics discussions not germane to the roleplay are discouraged; that needs to go to Off-Topic Discussion.
- Feel free to PM me about character creation with ideas and so forth or to even come to the Guild's Chat (web browser based) to discuss it with me there.


In Character Info:
In 1964, Nikita Khrushchev was removed from power; he had alienated factions within the USSR's government that engineered his removal from office. His successor, Leonid Brezhnev, was a weaker leader, one that deferred to a stronger role within the CPSU (Communist Party, Soviet Union.) However, in the wake of the Kosygin Doctrine's failure and the Prague Spring of 1968, the hardliner Valentin Igorvich Sokolov, took and consolidated power from Leonid Brezhnev.

Sokolov, a younger man, turned out to be a much stronger leader than his two predecessors, and more stable than Stalin was -- he was cunning and calculatingly ruthless, a man hardened to necessity in the Great Patriotic war. Under his leadership, relations with Mao Zedong, of the People's Republic of China, were mended and the Soviet presence in Africa, Southeast Asia, South America and the Middle East were strengthened. Under Sokolov's leadership, the Soviet industrial infrastructure was modernized from its lamentably moldering state and reforms were made to increase efficiency without compromising the Soviet position.

In the wake of the US loss in Vietnam, Sokolov moved aggressively -- the mood of the American people was such that they had little to no tolerance for another confrontation with communism. An aggressive program of supporting insurgency in South and Central America yielded strong results against US-backed juntas in Argentina, Chile, Brazil, El Salvador and Nicaragua, and eventually the Soviets found themselves with strong alliances and popular support in the region.

Things came to a head in the middle east; Kuwait was caught slant-drilling Iraqi oil fields, which gave Saddam Hussein all the reason he needed to invade his smaller, weaker neighbor, it came to the point where the US went to war on behalf of Kuwait and found itself facing a similar Soviet force in Iraq, defending Saddam Hussein's position that the Kuwaitis were slant-drilling the Iraqi fields. When the two forces met in the desert, the US force found itself overwhelmed by the sheer numbers involved, because Soviet forces were allowed to move by rail line through Iran and into Iraq; the Ayatollahs hated the US for the Shah more than they hated the Soviet Union, who forced Saddam Hussein to return disputed border territory to the Iranians in return for the assistance of the Red Army.

Coalition forces were unprepared for the size of the Russian force in Iraq, supplied overland and prepared to In the wake of the terrible defeat in the battle of Hafar al-Batin and the evacuation from Al Mis'hab, known as "Dunkirk II", France, Spain, the UK and Italy, as well as many others, all made separate arrangements with the Soviet Union, leaving the US alone and defiant in the world. World War III seemed lost in the desert and even the US started to negotiate for a settlement that included the return of POW's held by Soviet forces.

During these negotiations, when the guard of the US was down and when the citizens were war-weary, the Soviets used an old trick; they invaded US air space with commercial airliners that dropped paratroopers, or landed other troops in a daring coup de main. Other Soviet allies, such as China and the Cubans, the South Americans and the Vietnamese, as well as the Warsaw Pact nations, mustered their strength and moved in to follow up on the initial Soviet invasion.

The US military, demoralized and way outnumbered, still in tatters from the Gulf War that they lost, melted away when it didn't surrender, unable to take the Communists in open battle.

DC fell, the president shot himself in the head and the Vice President was killed by Spetsnaz when he elected to go down fighting rather than be taken alive. The Speaker of the House surrendered, in power long enough to hand over the nation to the Soviets and then retired to Siberia.

A new president, a man by the name of Frederick Chambers, was installed as the president of the United Socialist States of America, but it was Che Guevara (yeah, he's alive in this) who delivered the keynote speech at Chambers' inauguration, gloating at the victory of worldwide socialism and the end of the Norteamericanos, that America was finished as anything but a humbled former enemy, a fine new addition to the likes of Poland, Hungary, East Germany and Bulgaria...

In living rooms and bars, in garages and factories, in California, in Texas and in New York, Americans were saying, "The fuck it is..."

Out of Character Info:

Right, so the concept is pretty simple. The characters in this would be resistance fighters in the occupied United States. We'll establish where in the country this takes place, though I tend to favor New England, and so forth if there is interest.

As a note, the alternate history thing is something I just thought up with minimal research, so it's off the top of my head. Details are missing; for example, exact information regarding what went on in this alternative Gulf War where the US got handed a defeat. I also omitted information on nuclear weaponry that may or may not have been employed, though I am leaning toward some sort of virus akin to Stuxnet that disables the tech to allow for a strike -- perhaps Russian capabilities in this field were dramatically underestimated (in conjunction with a couple key defectors/agents). I also didn't put much down regarding the economics in this timeline, though I am thinking that the US has been in a recession or at least in economic hard times for a while; maybe it never got back on its feet after the 1970's. (What would America look like without the optimism of the 80's, right?)

On the other hand, I want to keep the focus on the individual characters. In the end, if there are things that strike one as highly improbable and so forth...it's fiction, and it's an RP and this stuff is pretty much just background to set the scene. A second thing to note is that I avoided using real life names of US politicians and so forth, because I don't want to cloud the issue with partisan bickering -- and I'm taking the moment to say right off the bat that I put aside any political beliefs and just wrote this out. The point is to have fun, after all.

Anyway, I don't have specific ideas for the characters. I have basic ideas but nothing firmly set in place besides the idea that they're Americans caught up in events -- perhaps there's a reason why they go guerrilla, such as knowing that the KGB would go after them period as part of a class of people they automatically suspect as dangerous. I'd prefer to avoid too many characters that are all gung ho military, particularly since I'd like this RP to focus on the people and how they deal with the problems from an everyday perspective.

The best thought I have for the plot is that the characters are somehow part of the resistance/guerrilla cell that has one or some of the bigshots of the US Government in it; perhaps an ex-US president or prominent senator, or similar, someone who managed to escape the KGB's net. That would make our characters close observers/makers of very high level decisions and so forth. It's just a thought, at any rate, for what direction we can take with the RP.

If you're interested, feel free to post. If you're here to just shoot holes in the plot, please don't.
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Very interested! :)
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Reminds me of Freedom Fighters, loved that game.

Also Red Dawn, which was not a bad film in my opinion, just not a great one either.

Would I be able to play an Englishman? Discontent with his nation's bowing down to the USSR, he fled to America to live in the last land of the "fair and the free", only to be caught up in this mess months later? It would make my life easier, as playing an American gets a bit funny because of how we spell words differently FOR SOME REASON.

EDIT: Just took a double take on that Red Dawn book cover. Is the book any good? I've never read it.
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Would like to join, as long as it is in Casual. I don't think I can do any sort of Advanced or anything else outside of Free or Casual.
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I'm okay with an English refugee. Might want a variety of skills for characters too -- not just military ones. Everyone does an experienced hunter/tracker/camper, but neglects other skills whose uses may not be immediately apparent in a military situation, but are actually quite useful in the framework of a guerrilla operation.
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I was thinking of a historian, intimately familiar with modern warfare. Not practically, just from an academic stand point.

Though now you've said that, perhaps a mechanic would be more suitable, or a former Coastguard (I imagine survival training would feature in that line of work). I'll give it a mulling over.
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Interested. Reminds me a lot of Red Dawn. I would really like to join (when it gets started) but I fear I may not be able to keep up, as this seems like it would be an advanced roleplay. I will try to understand though, alternative history really interests me.
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Первый. Уничтожите вражескую надежду на победу.
Второй. Используйте все в своих интересах.
Третий. Используйте слабости противника.
Четвёртый. Атакуйте с неожиданной стороны.

I am interested in this RP, but I would play as long as I would be a Vympel operative.
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I'm not sure what the status of Russians will be in this, but I think I prefer to keep it NPC for a variety of plot-GM related reasons.
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Actually, forget what I said.

What we've got is fine by me.
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SyrianHamster said
HeySeuss,to cover the nuclear aspect of the invasion, maybe have it so the American military is still in the game, albeit losing badly on all fronts. Maybe the war hasn't reached an end-game do or die scenario, and so whatever remains of the American government has not yet pressed the big red button. On the other hand, Russian Speznaz are being dropped on these facilities and capturing them - perhaps the resistance at some point could liberate/defend one? Knowing Americans, which I don't, their army wouldn't have given up to Communism without a Custer style determination. Areas of America still being under American control would at least give the resistance hope, and something to fight for. However, I am happy to go with whatever, as to me half then fun of an RP is making your character fit with a world out of your control/different from what you would have done.Just my thoughts on the matter :)


Yeah, this is all stuff I had in mind; I would say that various parts of the Midwest are still operational, though the US South took a disproportionate hit from the Soviets and the PRC piled on Cali because of the density of bases with combat forces in those regions.

Most of the nukes are in the midwest, but the US forces aren't about to drop that on their own soil, though some extremists might be willing to try to use them as a terrorist device in Soviet-occupied areas. It's a tense sort of situation, since patriot groups are unruly as hell and probably some of the more prominent organizations running the guerrilla resistance.

I'd say that what US forces there are would be tattered as hell though -- they're relying on guerrillas to keep the Soviets pinned in occupied areas.
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HeySeuss said
Yeah, this is all stuff I had in mind; I would say that various parts of the Midwest are still operational, though the US South took a disproportionate hit from the Soviets and the PRC piled on Cali because of the density of bases with combat forces in those regions. Most of the nukes are in the midwest, but the US forces aren't about to drop that on their own soil, though some extremists might be willing to try to use them as a terrorist device in Soviet-occupied areas. It's a tense sort of situation, since patriot groups are unruly as hell and probably some of the more prominent organizations running the guerrilla resistance. I'd say that what US forces there are would be tattered as hell though -- they're relying on guerrillas to keep the Soviets pinned in occupied areas.


Ah I'm glad I didn't cause offence by bludgeoning you with my thoughts. I know how it annoying it is when you work hard to do something, then some dude is like "We'll that's all well and good BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"

Well what you've said seems more than feasible for me.

Maybe have us do some partisan activities, like taking out Russian AA networks and allowing American planes to roll in and blow stuff the HELL UP. That'd be fun.

Either way, how many players do you think we'll need?
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I guess I'll throw in.
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So, is this RP still happening or what?
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I hate to sound terrible, but I've had too many group RP's go under lately, so I'm not going to run this as I am refocusing on 1x1's for the time being. Since this was an interest check, I can't really count on everyone that claimed interest on being interested, and run the risk of having like two people actually committed out of the seven that claimed interest.

So I'm going to just let this one go.
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That's a pity, but your reasons are understandable.
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