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Boarded the train.

Flipped on Hans Zimmer on Spotify.

"The dream is collapsing" starts playing.

Time to finish my app.



I will probably add more to this but I want some feedback first, and I want to start.
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Finally finished. Not sure about its quality but I am willing to edit if needed.
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@HellishWaffle Your fine.

@OppositionJ It looks good, but the only think that sets me off a bit is that it seems Aeterna is at least a decent industrial power, with access to a great amount of Edoniras military invetions. While I am fine with you playing a nation in Hadricia, if you are, I want your industrial and military power to be limited for a while. Besides that a extra one or two paragraphs in history would be nice. Otherwise, everything else looks fine.

If anyone else if finished or would like my thoughts so far, shoot me a poke and I will get on it.
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@duck55223 Not a problem! I do believe I've covered any issues and expanded my history a bit. Tell me if anything else needs changed.
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@duck55223 Not a problem! I do believe I've covered any issues and expanded my history a bit. Tell me if anything else needs changed.


It looks good, will be interesting to see if your people can become strong enough to resist the advances of Imperialism or fall to the fate that much of Hadricia will.
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Let's get this show rolling gents.

All I do is work and sleep and I got my app up.
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This looks like a fascinating scenario. I'd love to join in if I may.



Name of Nation:
The Celestial Empire of Da Nanguo

Territory:


Description of Government:
A theocratic monarchy, under Supreme Emperor Qing Ji. Ji resides in the Palace of Heaven, in Shanghai, with all his advisers (composed of family members, close friends, military officials, and the Prime Ministers of Vietnam, Malaysia, and Sri Lanka). Bills are drafted by the advisers, and signed into law by the emperor.
Laws are mostly lax, although the government reserves the right to claim any corporation or piece of land as property of the state. The young emperor Ji has done this many times since inheriting the throne from his father, resulting in one massive industrial monopoly that stretches across the entire empire. Due to the relatively small number of skilled administrators, government programs run largely unregulated, leading to a great deal of corruption and abuse. Nonetheless, there is universal support for the government, because all state media, education, and literature enforces the notion that the government is divinely appointed, with Ji being a direct descendant of the God of the Heavens. All community organization is centered around local Temples of the Sky, and all legal documents require a prayer to Heaven to be legally binding.

Description of Economy:
Nanguo's economy was historically upheld by trade in spices, foods, exotic medicines and jewelry. However, with the discovery of blue coal, and its applications, the Emperor began massive, crown funded mining projects across the entire region, and recycled all profits back into further expansions of the industry. Now the economy is fueled overwhelmingly by coal, with great steam ships being built to carry unprecedented loads of cargo across the South China Sea, and even along the coast of Africa and the Middle East. The imperial factories have turned the sky black above Nanjing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and the new industrial megacity of Heijing.
Although countless citizens suffer from what they call "Hei Fei Bing", the Black Lung Disease, the standard of living has otherwise improved. The country prospers under its advanced, new industry, and very few go hungry.

Description of Culture:
The culture of Da Nanguo, while still founded in the traditions of the Hanren (largest ethnic tribe in China), glamorizes many trends originating from the island peoples of the South China Sea. With trade, immigration, and interbreeding being so commonplace throughout the empire's subkingdoms and allies, Daoren (island people) music and food are staples of any major city. Seasonal festivals are observed regularly, celebrating the empire's ethnic diversity. This stands in stark contrast to the military parades that are also regularly held in every metropolitan region.
As the Nanguoren, as they call themselves, learn more about the empire's trading ambitions into the far west, and exploration into the far east, they feel a deep desire to spread their culture to the rest of the world. Missionaries and performers regularly accompany trading and military vessels, looking to bring more people into the empire's "loving" arms.
Citizens are free to practice cultural, even religious, traditions, so long as they don't bring the authority of the state into question. There is no ban on religious observance, but citizens are required to make weekly non-monetary offerings to their local Temple of the Sky, and pray a prayer of thanks to the Emperor. Legal documents and agreements are required to include a prayer to Heaven in order to binding. Following this, many people include state-sponsored prayers at the end of personal letters, and advertisements. It's believed to be good luck, and to make the Emperor smile upon you for your devoutness. To encourage this kind of behaviour, the Emperor regularly bestows gifts to individuals and charities, claiming to have seen their faithfulness. At this point, it is difficult to know how new or old this tradition is. It may have come about as a method of controlling the masses, once the Emperor saw the power of blue coal, or it may have been a natural evolution of the traditional folklore of East Asia. What's most important of all is that no one cares. Nanguoren are encouraged to live in the present, and forget the inferior ways of pre-industrial, pre-Nanguo China and Vietnam.

Description of Military:
The Royal Army of Da Nanguo is as ancient as the dynasty itself. It may have changed names over time, as well as form, but what remains constant is its overwhelming size. Simply by number of heads, the Royal Army is an overwhelming force. Swords and spears are still used next to firearms, partially out of tradition by this point, but the hands that wield them are as skillful as they are numerous. When the empire is at peace, officers of the Royal Army serve alongside the Royal Police Force. Needless to say, crime rates range from catastrophic to nonexistent, depending on whether or not a war is underway.
The Royal Navy of Da Nanguo, once moderate and nonthreatening, is now brings great fear to neighbouring countries. While the sailors aren't well drilled yet, and the leadership isn't particularly experienced, again the force is saved by scale. The Emperor's greatest pride are his massive, coal burning warships. The fleet rests off the coasts of Shanghai and Hong Kong, towering out of the ocean like floating fortresses. Clouds of smog drift across the waves around them. As the ships rock with the roar of their cannons, imposing waves roll from below their massive studded/plated hulls.
There is no Royal Airforce of Da Nanguo, nor does the leadership have any dreams of exploring the technology of sky travel. It's a pointless project, and a waste of money, when the empire already has the keys to endless wealth and power.

History:
Emperor Ji traces his family heritage through his father (known as the Dream-Killer Emperor, or the Third Prosperity Emperor), through his great grandfather the Qianlong Emperor (now known as the Great Coal-Bringer, or the First Prosperity Emperor), to the earliest members of the Jin (Qing) Dynasty, who united the Jurchen tribes and overthrew Ming China in the 1600's.

In the 1700's, First Prosperity learned of the advancements that were being made in the west, with this new coal energy. He decided to expend the entire royal treasury on the establishments of mines all across China. At the same time, he went to great lengths to promote and fund the expansion of the state religion. This would be a key social program carried on by his heirs.

In the late 1700's and early 1800's, Second Prosperity began to confiscate Chinese trade companies, merging them into one massive crown corporation. He established land and sea trade routs across all of Eurasia, and the eastern coast of Africa, and constructed massive trade fleets to transport China's goods. Around this time, "Japan" began its expansion onto the mainland, capturing Shendong and Beijing, among other key areas. Shortly later, the emperor died of suspicious causes, and the country was thrown into chaos. Third Prosperity had all his siblings assassinated, leaving him as the only legitimate heir to the throne. He took command of the Royal Army, and reunited what remained of the country (minus Japan's expansions). He then refitted all of his father's trade ships as military vessels, and requested that a number of China's weaker (but more strategically important) trading allies declare themselves sub-kingdoms of the larger Chinese empire. This resulted in Vietnam, Malaysia, and Sri Lanka becoming subjects of the Emperor, with their state leaders now acting as the Emperor's advisers. He declared this to be the Celestial Empire of "Da Nanguo" (literally "Big Southern Kingdom"). Third Prosperity then set his sights on "Japan", and made great shows of force with his military. The national anthem of Nanguo was changed to a ballad about the thunder of the Empire's cannons. It described the Emperor's fleet as a "merciless storm that kills dreams", and the Royal Army as a "rushing tide of spears and bullets".

Finally, only a couple years ago, Third Prosperity died, leaving his son as the new Emperor. At his own request, the son wasn't crowned "Prosperity", but was instead crowned "Ji", or "Machine". Under him, the mining city where blue coal was first extracted in China, Heijing (in the North-West of China), was declared the second capital of Da Nanguo. Now massive relocation and housing projects are underway, to turn Heijing into the population and industrial capital of the world.

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Obviously, I hope Japan is alright with this positioning. I'm not looking to start anything crazy. I just thought China would be a fascinating player in this universe, and noticed that Japan had Beijing, so I ran with it! Hope this is sufficient for everyone.

What makes my country super relevant to this scenario is it's plans to go around Africa, and through the Middle East, to become a global trade power. Think of it as the inverse of England going around the Cape of Good Hope. Besides, what if China and Japan colonize the western side of North America, or something unique like that.
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@Jotunn Draugr I'm entirely fine with this positioning, because as Japan, I need a China to fight. Also, the mention of the whole Beijing thing brings up a question I've had in my mind for some time now. Namely, did the Mongols exist? There would have to be some kind of entity that facilitated large-scale trade across Eurasia, because otherwise things would be really strange.

EDIT: If you want, I can easily give up Beijing and keep the Empire a bit closer to the actual borders it had in, you know, 1939. I won't give up Liaoning though, because I really really like the idea of having a port in Lรผshunkou District.
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I have two major problems with this.

- They extremely heavy use of real world names. This is a Psuedo-Earth, and despite the fact that in the OOC I mentioned the names of a few of our Psuedo-places, you seemed to have used their IRL names. I am going to have to require you to change these.

-Having such massive industrialization already. Not entirely against having some, but it needs to be small and limited factories. Otherwise, if I allow you to have the same level of industrialization as other powers, you will already be outproducing everyone and be far ahead of everyone economically to make their manufacturing irrelevant.

Edit: I fucked up and misspelled your name.
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@Jotunn Draugr I'm entirely fine with this positioning, because as Japan, I need a China to fight. Also, the mention of the whole Beijing thing brings up a question I've had in my mind for some time now. Namely, did the Mongols exist? There would have to be some kind of entity that facilitated large-scale trade across Eurasia, because otherwise things would be really strange.

EDIT: If you want, I can easily give up Beijing and keep the Empire a bit closer to the actual borders it had in, you know, 1939. I won't give up Liaoning though, because I really really like the idea of having a port in Lรผshunkou District.


Awesome! And no, you're quite welcome to keep Beijing and Liaoning. I like the dynamic of having a capital city to retake. Although I'd quite like Taiwan if that's alright. I'm familiar with the Taiwanese, and would love to incorporate them into the story.

I suppose a version of the Mongols would have had to exist in some form, to help tie us to the West. What if we mix up the eras a bit, and make it so we're both claimants (Khanates, but let's call them Jinguo's), fighting for the totality of our dead Emperor's (Genghis Khan, but let's call him Taisho Jin) empire.

Depends on where you wanna go with your country's story. Do you have a name/origin for your country yet?

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I have two major problems with this.

- They extremely heavy use of real world names. This is a Psuedo-Earth, and despite the fact that in the OOC I mentioned the names of a few of our Psuedo-places, you seemed to have used their IRL names. I am going to have to require you to change these.

-Having such massive industrialization already. Not entirely against having some, but it needs to be small and limited factories. Otherwise, if I allow you to have the same level of industrialization as other powers, you will already be outproducing everyone and be far ahead of everyone economically to make their manufacturing irrelevant.

Edit: I fucked up and misspelled your name.


Haha, no problem with the names. The names are largely placeholder. I figured I could wait till Japan was renamed, and our relationship was finalized.

Edit: For example, wherever you see "China", substitute it for "Great Han". Wherever you see "Shanghai", substitute it for "Diarjing". Wherever you see "Beijing", substitute it for "Wodejing". I've already substituted the names on the Character page.

As for the industrialization, here's my case. I didn't mention any mechs, tanks, vehicles, or aircraft. The model I'm going off of is that coal has been around for OVER A HUNDRED YEARS (1710-1860). In real life, steamboats have been crossing oceans since 1813. Fifty years ago! Oliver Twist was working in a factory (then common already) in the 1830's. Thirty years ago! Britain began industrializing WITHOUT Blue Coal around 1830, again 30 years ago.
The reason I chose to focus so heavily on coal-fired industry, was because I thought it would be a cool dynamic to have a land power with NO aircraft at any point. How can a land power match airships, if it doesn't have a little head start in productiveness? I'm not talking about big machines of any kind, or anything overly advanced. I'm just talking scale, as in, there are a LOT of Chinese people, meaning a lot of cheap/slave labour to put in newly built factories. Labour that still mines coal by hand, and shovels it into furnaces by hand. The image I'm painting of blackened skies is largely fueled by open-air coal fires that are fueled by hand. Peasants use it for heating as much as anything else.

That's me trying to clarify, if there's still any problems, let me know. If there's something specific that conflicts with the narrative (like iron-plated ships or something), I can change that without a problem. What exact level of technology are you expecting this to begin at? Do cars exist yet?
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Ah crap, my mistake, it looked like to me that you were equal to Edoniras in terms of tech. Although something we should clarify is whether coal or blue coal is used more often. Coal still exists and is more common, but much weaker and does not allow for many of the amazing inventions that we have. Blue coal is stronger and far more powerful, and lets you use the amazing inventions.
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Ah crap, my mistake, it looked like to me that you were equal to Edoniras in terms of tech. Although something we should clarify is whether coal or blue coal is used more often. Coal still exists and is more common, but much weaker and does not allow for many of the amazing inventions that we have. Blue coal is stronger and far more powerful, and lets you use the amazing inventions.


Haha all good.
The split between the two is pretty even. Private companies in China rely on regular coal, and are only somewhat ahead of real life. Likewise, private individuals use it to heat their homes in all the cities, and day-to-day running of most machinery is done with regular coal. Blue coal is reserved for the largest of government factories, and military vessels. It burns far hotter (right?) so it's main use is in advanced welding and tempering, to get stronger, tighter shells on the Royal Navy's battleships, and stronger tools for mining.

But are you gonna post a bit more detail about this setting? I'd like to have a better idea about what the limits are. Are cars common? Do airships exist yet? How advanced are guns?
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Awesome! And no, you're quite welcome to keep Beijing and Liaoning. I like the dynamic of having a capital city to retake. Although I'd quite like Taiwan if that's alright. I'm familiar with the Taiwanese, and would love to incorporate them into the story.

I suppose a version of the Mongols would have had to exist in some form, to help tie us to the West. What if we mix up the eras a bit, and make it so we're both claimants (Khanates, but let's call them Jinguo's), fighting for the totality of our dead Emperor's (Genghis Khan, but let's call him Taisho Jin) empire.

Depends on where you wanna go with your country's story. Do you have a name/origin for your country yet?


The whole "Split empire" thing probably won't work out for me, since I've still kept the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane Kamikaze storms in Japanese history. So the Not-Mongols didn't make it to Japan save for some captured sailors. The only way for my Emperor to claim the throne would be to have one of those sailors have been one of the Khan's or their son, and they would have had to have married a princess... so claiming the throne would wreak political havoc. A big part of my Not-Japan's nationalism is that they claim their dynasty has ruled for almost 2,500 years straight. While obviously complete and absolute BS, claiming to be the legitimate Emperor of... well, the bit of Eurasia that isn't past Poland or so would make it clear to the world that the claim is absolute BS. I've decided to use the excuse of "Protecting Asia against western imperialism". You know, by being imperialists.

I do have a general backstory for my nation (Which is called Akitsukuni, thanks to Wikipedia telling me all the obscure historical names for Japan) which developed similarly to real Japan, but with a stronger Imperial tradition. They've been a unified state ever since Emperor Suizei (here being someone who 100% existed, and not a potentially mythological character) took the throne around the same time he did in real life (or the myths pertaining to it). This is because I decided that having Emperor Jimmu (whom also existed in this timeline, fathering Suizei because well DUH) be the first emperor wouldn't be cRaZy enough. According to what the government says, Akitsukuni has never had a dynasty change since then. Though it definitely has, nobody really says anything like that. Just like how a bunch of Europeans assumed that the Ming Dynasty was some kind of ancient and mystical regime while in reality it was just the latest in a long line of dynasties. It went through an event that almost perfectly mirrors the Meiji Restoration, but with a connected, large push for industrialization. Which is my excuse for having factories, of course.

Also, yes, you can totally have Taiwan. Most of my plans center around the fact that the Emperor has the lucky of Henry VIII and only has a daughter, whom the Imperial Diet and military assumes nobody will accept as the leader, thus leading to a bunch of political intrigue centered around a brewing Civil War and who gets to be the next ruler. So I never had any plans for it beyond "I'm pretty sure Japan owned that at some point, dibs!", and land should go to the person with better ideas for it.

And that sounded like something a fascist dictator would say as an excuse for invading a neighboring country.

I'll have to remember that if some Army general ends up on top after it all.

But are you gonna post a bit more detail about this setting? I'd like to have a better idea about what the limits are. Are cars common? Do airships exist yet? How advanced are guns?


I'm not privy to all the supahsekretsmartypants planning that goes on behind the scenes, but airships are a thing. As far as I can tell, the limit on guns is set at about the middle of WWI, what with the maxim guns and bolt-actions I've seen mentioned. Cars-if they exist-are probably steam-powered, since we haven't had time to figure out gasoline and diesel and probably won't do so until we run out of blue coal, at which point there will be a bunch of wars fought over it with vague excuses revolving around speculation on weapons capabilities and government structures, as well as a debate over whether or not drilling for oil harms the environment and/or pollutes drinking water.
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The whole "Split empire" thing probably won't work out for me, since I've still kept the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane Kamikaze storms in Japanese history. So the Not-Mongols didn't make it to Japan save for some captured sailors. The only way for my Emperor to claim the throne would be to have one of those sailors have been one of the Khan's or their son, and they would have had to have married a princess... so claiming the throne would wreak political havoc. A big part of my Not-Japan's nationalism is that they claim their dynasty has ruled for almost 2,500 years straight. While obviously complete and absolute BS, claiming to be the legitimate Emperor of... well, the bit of Eurasia that isn't past Poland or so would make it clear to the world that the claim is absolute BS. I've decided to use the excuse of "Protecting Asia against western imperialism". You know, by being imperialists.

I do have a general backstory for my nation (Which is called Akitsukuni, thanks to Wikipedia telling me all the obscure historical names for Japan) which developed similarly to real Japan, but with a stronger Imperial tradition. They've been a unified state ever since Emperor Suizei (here being someone who 100% existed, and not a potentially mythological character) took the throne around the same time he did in real life (or the myths pertaining to it). This is because I decided that having Emperor Jimmu (whom also existed in this timeline, fathering Suizei because well DUH) be the first emperor wouldn't be cRaZy enough. According to what the government says, Akitsukuni has never had a dynasty change since then. Though it definitely has, nobody really says anything like that. Just like how a bunch of Europeans assumed that the Ming Dynasty was some kind of ancient and mystical regime while in reality it was just the latest in a long line of dynasties. It went through an event that almost perfectly mirrors the Meiji Restoration, but with a connected, large push for industrialization. Which is my excuse for having factories, of course.

Also, yes, you can totally have Taiwan. Most of my plans center around the fact that the Emperor has the lucky of Henry VIII and only has a daughter, whom the Imperial Diet and military assumes nobody will accept as the leader, thus leading to a bunch of political intrigue centered around a brewing Civil War and who gets to be the next ruler. So I never had any plans for it beyond "I'm pretty sure Japan owned that at some point, dibs!", and land should go to the person with better ideas for it.

And that sounded like something a fascist dictator would say as an excuse for invading a neighboring country.

I'll have to remember that if some Army general ends up on top after it all.

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I'm not privy to all the supahsekretsmartypants planning that goes on behind the scenes, but airships are a thing. As far as I can tell, the limit on guns is set at about the middle of WWI, what with the maxim guns and bolt-actions I've seen mentioned. Cars-if they exist-are probably steam-powered, since we haven't had time to figure out gasoline and diesel and probably won't do so until we run out of blue coal, at which point there will be a bunch of wars fought over it with vague excuses revolving around speculation on weapons capabilities and government structures, as well as a debate over whether or not drilling for oil harms the environment and/or pollutes drinking water.


Awesome! Thanks for the clarity. Well this certainly looks like an interesting political climate. Alright, let's say there wasn't a Khan Empire, but historical trade routes formed all the same. Besides, a Mongol-less world opens up the possibility of claiming that my dynasty directly descends from the Chinese rulers of 5000 BC, making my bloodline 6,860 years old! Bring it, mister 2,500!
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

Japan did own Taiwan for a long time, but that was before and after China did. In between all that, Taiwan has identified itself as an independent nation, with it's own race. A buddy of mine is an ethnic Taiwan native, with a direct bloodline from before the Chinese and Japanese ruled over the island.

Japan and China have always, and are currently, fighting over multiple island claims, so I'm looking forward to our upcoming sea battles ;)



BTW, if you don't mind me asking, where are you planning on expanding first? Indonesia/Australia, Alaska/Siberia, or Mongolia/Russia? Historically, the Japanese empire went for Indonesia and the Pacific islands, which could secure you a path to California. Or is this TBD/confidential?
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I'm playing with the idea of moving into Siberia, with the excuse that there's blue coal there. If I do, however, it'll play second fiddle to further expanding further into the pacific. I am, after all, playing as Japan. It'd be wrong to not use my Navy.
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I'm playing with the idea of moving into Siberia, with the excuse that there's blue coal there. If I do, however, it'll play second fiddle to further expanding further into the pacific. I am, after all, playing as Japan. It'd be wrong to not use my Navy.


Haha, happy to hear it. Don't make things too easy for me ;)

Hey how would you feel about marking out our main cities on the map, to make the world look a bit more detailed, complete, and clear for each other?
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I'm playing with the idea of moving into Siberia, with the excuse that there's blue coal there. If I do, however, it'll play second fiddle to further expanding further into the pacific. I am, after all, playing as Japan. It'd be wrong to not use my Navy.


By the time the IC starts, Alfhedil and I would have filled out remaining space besides Hadricia with NPCs.
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And as a clarification, technology is probably late WW1. Although of course, mechs, tanks, and planes are far more reliable then they ever were in this time period compared to the real word.
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By the time the IC starts, Alfhedil and I would have filled out remaining space besides Hadricia with NPCs.


Akitsukuni stronk. Akitsukuni will defeat all primitive nations to pave way for glorious Empire which is in no way oppressive at all.
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