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Clan Bright Shield


Muin Agrim "The Bright Shield"






Note: Here's the full sheet, tried to work in everybody in some way. Any feedback or talk about flashbacks between the family members is more than welcome.
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Posting my work-in-progress sheet to demonstrate interest and save my work.

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Posting my completed sheet, if there's anything that needs to be changed let me know.

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Anyone feel like working out pre-existing relations?
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Anyone feel like working out pre-existing relations?


As a matter of fact, yes. I was wondering if you'd be up for having amiable relations with Dourhorn - perhaps he enlisted your help on a number of occasions to fetch some Dwarven artifacts.
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@BlackBishop

Oh? I was thinking it would be quite the contrary, seeing how Hornfel is the laxest in terms of religious practice and even hosts what is essentially a foreign missionary preaching a foreign religion.

Still, perhaps there could be 'distant respect', Hornfel if not being a very religious dwarf still showing the qualities that make a good dwarf, meaning loyalty, honesty and to always honor his word (Or at least when he can, try and make things right when he can't).

So yes, bring back dwarven artifacts when he was adventuring and now maybe using his merchant contact to insure if any dwarf wants to go on a pilgrimage or such to the old lands they can do it safely with a caravan.

BTW, his attitude toward religion would be something of live and let live, but since he tries to sway people to his view, he'd probably explain it to his eldest brother as "What worth has worship that is forced rather than honest? Giving people the freedom to chose and options to chose from only separates the true believers from the rest."
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Hello fellow dwarves,
I am very happy to see all the new Clan sheets. I did not expect this to happen so fast, so we've work to do. And without getting into details this time, I really like how each of you has fleshed out your clan.

@Dogematix
Clan Bright Shield is accepted. I will comment on the familly members and overall feedback in a PM soon.
@bluetommy2
Clan Orin, accepted. Also, some feedback will come for you soon if you want.

@Elgappa
Clan Longstrider, I'd like to review a couple of things:
- The western Pass was alredy claimed by Clan Reverent (who "have established themselves in the eastern tracts of the pass") so please look for another location. There is plenty space in the map.
- I do not udnerstand what you mean by "firstborn of the Ragnars, second son of Muin"
- Let me reject the Spider Rider culture thing. The undergrounds are pretty unkown and definitively not populated. The true underground culture of the underground are the dwarves, and to them the Valley and its depths belong (to what is yet known) I can agree to give you an edge about underground exploration if my change upsets you.

@gorgenmast
Well I like the overall idea but you have to finish it!

@Wernher
Yes! Please all of you are encouraged to build pre-existing relations if you wish either IC or OC.

About magic, in formal terms this will be LOW magic setting. Take something more watered-down Tolkien-ish magic as reference, where magic is mostly seen as extaordinary deeds, the fate of a people, the forging of an history-changing artifact, a song to drive zeal or passion into the hearts of man, and old knowledge brough by the Gods themselves. Also I want to include alchemy and oracles, and powerful forgotten prayers in ancient rune-scrolls. However, no fireballs, no sleep spells, no wizards, no formal schools of magic. Magic is rare, hidden and not at all understood. Spirits might communicate with the living, but that would be as extraordinary for the dwarves as for people from our history during and before Middle Age would believe it to be so.

In any case there are several major announcements to be done:
- Too many players claimed to be the second born of Master Muin. As I stated in the guide I will assign this in the order of claim, as per chronological post order. That means that if Longstrider Clan sends me his update they will be the secondborn. You can discuss this among yourselves or I will solve it automathically as the characters get confirmed. The earlier we solve this, the earlier we start.
- Please each of the accepted clans (also you, Longstriders), send me a PM with rawly the location you are claiming. I have a crudely drawn map of your territories after what I have understood from your sheets.
- I am eager to start the In-Character by Thursday-Friday. That depends on if we finish the aforementioned details.
- I might allow only few more clans, so consider this a non-defined deadline advertisement.
- The first events of this game will set one year and a half after Master Muin's demise.

PS: I live in GTM+1 timezone so expect my communications happening in this time frame.
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Alright, back to the writing mines ^^
-I move them to the western Border, in the corner of the map, with their Stronghold being in the mountains there.
-Oh, my bad, it should mean "Firstborn of Ragnar, who was the (second) son of Murin. (Leth would be Murins grandson)
-Spider stuff is dropped! And no, i am not upset at all, but still would take the edge in underground exploration!

For the whole "second son" business, dogematix and i had the idea that Ragnar (Leth´s father) and Agrim were twins, but nobody knows who was the first to be born. So both claim to be the older child! With Ragnar death, this would be a prime source for conflict!

And thanks for the quick Feedback, its always welcome!
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For the whole "second son" business, dogematix and i had the idea that Ragnar (Leth´s father) and Agrim were twins, but nobody knows who was the first to be born. So both claim to be the older child! With Ragnar death, this would be a prime source for conflict!


Well I'm not sure about that. In my bio I've written the twins as being pretty close as most twins are. Claiming to be the older of the two wouldn't really accomplish anything for him. If there's tension it could be in how Ragnar died while Agrim was away so he wasn't there to watch his back but for the most part I plan for Agrim to start very neutral, preferring to try and keep peace in the family since he's already lost two kinsmen to violence.

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Well, i placed it a bit wrong then, let me give it another try! Leth would claim that his father was the older twin. And with Agrim being a dwarf of honor, he most likely would neither confirm, nor deny it outright, as nobody would really know it.

@Famigliolabuona
-And the sheet is ready! All the points mentioned have been reworked!
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@Wernher considering we're right next to each other, and the fact that Orin needs access to the west pass to sell his wares, our clans could have begrudging diplomatic ties.
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@bluetommy2 well, I don't know about that, wouldn't I be next to the south pass?
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@Wernher thought you were near the west pass, never Mind then.
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@bluetommy2 If my new position for my clan gets approved, we would be neighbors! So, how shall the clans stand to each other?
I could see a bit of a rivalry in exploration of the underground, and with the Longstrider rangers trespassing into Orin territory on a regular base!
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Just wanted to get the personal relations ball rolling.

@WernherI wondered if Agrim and Hornfel might get along since they sound like they were both up for a drink and a party in their youth.

@BlackBishop And I'm guessing Dourhorn probably didn't care for Agrim's old antics. I'm personally hoping to add some stuff about him trying to bridge the divide between them when the RP starts up.

Clan wise Agrim hasn't announced himself as wanting to take the valley and officially thinking Dourhorn should be the heir but is more concerned with keeping the peace since y'know they're family.
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Oh? I was thinking it would be quite the contrary, seeing how Hornfel is the laxest in terms of religious practice and even hosts what is essentially a foreign missionary preaching a foreign religion.

Still, perhaps there could be 'distant respect', Hornfel if not being a very religious dwarf still showing the qualities that make a good dwarf, meaning loyalty, honesty and to always honor his word (Or at least when he can, try and make things right when he can't).

So yes, bring back dwarven artifacts when he was adventuring and now maybe using his merchant contact to insure if any dwarf wants to go on a pilgrimage or such to the old lands they can do it safely with a caravan.

BTW, his attitude toward religion would be something of live and let live, but since he tries to sway people to his view, he'd probably explain it to his eldest brother as "What worth has worship that is forced rather than honest? Giving people the freedom to chose and options to chose from only separates the true believers from the rest."


Yes, I think you're right. It seems much more interesting to have us at odds, with Dourhorn being a staunch traditionalist and Hornfel more liberal. I'm game for us having worked together to secure some artifacts, but your reckless ways of holding to foreign ideals are best frowned upon.
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@BlackBishop I could see Clan Longstrider having mixed relations with the Reverent Clan!

-On one hand they are devoted in their worship of the gods, and uphold the peaceful traditions of the dwarfs, as well as protecting the Valley. Also i could see them being willing to trade found or retaken artifacts with your clan. Since their rangers leave the valley quite often, they could be quite regular at the West pass.

-On the other hand, Leth is openly dismissing Dourhorn as a cripple, unfit to lead the valley, and tries to justify his own claim. Also in battle, they use "dishonorable" tactics, to win against greater odds!

What do you think?
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@Elgappa

So just looked over your character sheet, and I think Dourhorn and his followers would likely view Leth as a dangerous pretender - far too young and reckless to rule the valley. We would likely have had lots of interaction under Leth's tenure as Warden and Dourhorn's role as councilor. Perhaps they could have been at odds fairly often, Dourhorn advising restraint, juxtaposed with Leth's aggressiveness?

@Dogematix
Cool character... It would be cool to have some animosity between Dourhorn and Agrim lingering from Agrim's younger days. The two likely are able to find common ground being Godsfearing Dwarves and all that. My character will be keen to get his support for his claim early on, from there we'll see how they get on.

@bluetommy2
I think Dourhorn might view Orin as one of the leading obstacles to his claim. Orin being seemingly agnostic would put them at odds, driven to further resentment with Muin's favor of Orin. Perhaps the two of them could have had some strong words following the death of Muin, if that's cool. Perhaps their falling out was the catalyst for Dourhorn getting the hell out of Muin's Keep, fearing the machinations of his brother, Orin.

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@BlackBishop I could see Clan Longstrider having mixed relations with the Reverent Clan!

-On one hand they are devoted in their worship of the gods, and uphold the peaceful traditions of the dwarfs, as well as protecting the Valley. Also i could see them being willing to trade found or retaken artifacts with your clan. Since their rangers leave the valley quite often, they could be quite regular at the West pass.

-On the other hand, Leth is openly dismissing Dourhorn as a cripple, unfit to lead the valley, and tries to justify his own claim. Also in battle, they use "dishonorable" tactics, to win against greater odds!

What do you think?


I agree to the first point, both getting along well enough and working together despite misgivings of each other, then after Muin's death, their relationship could have deteriorated rapidly, leading to them becoming bitter rivals.
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Also, guys, what do you all think about a collaborative IC around Muin's funeral as a sort of prelude to the IC, where the initial rivalries can be established... Unless our GM has other ideas, of course.
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