The 'Explain The Appeal Of......' Thread

[Dolerman]

Can someone explain the appeal of the Alt Right?

Now that trump is elected shouldn't they be obsolete?

[skidcrow]

Can someone explain the appeal of the Alt Right?

Now that trump is elected shouldn't they be obsolete?

@Dynamo Frokane

far from that, mate.

now that trump's elected, the alt-right get to have fun for the next 4 - 8 years. think of it as a long celebration.

as for the appeal of them, i dunno. it's hard to explain when you're not an alt-righter.

[pugbutter]

Can someone explain the appeal of the Alt Right?

Now that trump is elected shouldn't they be obsolete?

@Dynamo Frokane

It's a term created by the authoritarian left to describe anyone who disagrees with the authoritarian left, so really what you're asking is, "What is the appeal of having an opinion which differs from the mainstream?"

[Dolerman]

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far from that, mate.

now that trump's elected, the alt-right get to have fun for the next 4 - 8 years. think of it as a long celebration.

as for the appeal of them, i dunno. it's hard to explain when you're not an alt-righter.

@Grimhildr

[Dolerman]

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It's a term created by the authoritarian left to describe anyone who disagrees with the authoritarian left, so really what you're asking is, "What is the appeal of having an opinion which differs from the mainstream?"

@pugbutter

Citation? I'm pretty sure Richard Spencer coined the term.

[pugbutter]

@Dynamo Frokane You don't have to invent a new word from scratch for it to carry new meanings and connotations through your propaganda, you know. It existed in 2010 but it wasn't prevalent until Hillary's speeches in 2016. They found a fringe word and assigned it to anyone they wanted to demonize as a bunch of filthy racist-sexist-Islamohomotransphobes trying to hinder that sweet, sweet progress of getting a person with a vagina into the Oval Office.

It's the Red Scare: 2017 Edition. Anyone who likes U, V, or W, but doesn't like X, Y, or Z, is a communist sympathizer alt-righter.

At this point "alt right" has become the "Yankee Doodle" of the current year because a small number of people have chosen to wear the label proudly, believing that doing so will disarm it of its negative connotations. But at its heart it is a term which the left appropriated to lump them all together into a single, easily-attacked entity.

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane

(Note: Sarcasm may be involved. And I swear to Christ if someone bitches at me for this, I'm going to give up on this planet.)

Like @Grimhildr said, the fact their candidate got elected certainly doesn't mean they will go away..."Racism" talks never disappeared when Obama got elected...Rhino's didn't go away because of Bush. Rapists didn't go away because of Bill-I'm joking, but you get my point. The only reason a movement would vanish into thin air, if it was a paid protest. (Where did BLM go?) or if it became extremely unpopular. Because honestly when you get down to it, most people just follow a cult/bandwagon of their choice. People's are inconsistent and hypocrites on a daily basis. Happens in sports, happens in school, and you bet it happens in politics too!

And when you think of your typical alt-righter...You think "person who uses meme's and tries to piss crybabies off on the internet, because they think they're actually funny. While also basically aware of the extreme messages that they're deplorable, -ist in everything and evil as can be akin to Nazi's themselves. And basically the oppositions makes them out to be fucking renegades...and they are pushing back at the establishment but instead of hippie music, they're doing it with a cartoon frog." While also being taken extremely seriously and getting devoted a shit ton of attention by the media either calling them Satan or taking their stupid trolling seriously. Why do YOU think people are appealed by the alt-right? :I

It's because of all of these assholes: And people like to laugh at the high on mighty when they'll wrong.
youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw
youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw

When people start chilling the hell out and start not trying to generalize people and try to silence them. And then have the Streisand Effect kick them in the head. Maybe then we'll actually get somewhere.

(Note: You already know my political position but I'm not alt-right. Nor is this an attack on any specific political movement. Merely a statement on exactly why they exist, according to someone who is half awake.)

[Dolerman]

@pugbutter So in your opinion what is the Alt Right? I'm sure it has a definition beyond what Hilary Clinton thinks it is, right?

[Dolerman]

" While also being taken extremely seriously and getting devoted a shit ton of attention by the media either calling them Satan or taking their stupid trolling seriously. Why do YOU think people are appealed by the alt-right? :I

@SleepingSilence

I dont know, that's sorta why I asked.

[SleepingSilence]

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I dont know, that's sorta why I asked.

@Dynamo Frokane

Yeah I know, meant to be rhetorical. :P

[pugbutter]

[Dolerman]

@SleepingSilence@pugbutter Okay you guys have done a great job at telling me what Hilary Clinton's voting base have tried to label the Alt Right. *slow clap*

But I'm genuinely asking about the real alt-right, not the ones who have been misrepresented and wrongly labeled, I'm talking about those who call themselves it. Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, Vox Day, Styxenhammer, Red Ice Radio, Baked Alaska, Millennial Woes etc. Real people who take their own opions very seriously and their followers, I'm genuinely asking why these people are still energised, post trump election.

If you cant answer this question without bringing up SJW and 'Mainstream Media' and their strawmen then don't answer the question, I'm talking about the real ideology here.

Here is a good example of someone who has been labelled, vs someone who labels themselves

[skidcrow]

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@Dynamo Frokane

please cease and desist with your shitty impact font memes. thank you.

[SleepingSilence]

@Dynamo Frokane Because the Hillary Clinton'ing of their movement has never gone away? And still persists as strong as ever? Like I'm not alt-right, I don't know every facet of what they actually believe and if they even have core principles. So I won't pretend I do. But I'm convinced most people don't fucking know themselves what they actually stand for. I'm just being honest...the alt-right is the new "cool" thing to be...and is only made valid by how many people try to demonize them at every chance they get.

Being a renegade and the anti-heroes of politics. Is appealing because of how human nature works...simple as that really...if there is a more complex and elaborate reason, I'm fucking clueless about it. But really how "complicated" are most people's political opinions, when the average person's entire belief system is almost always based on gut emotional reactions?

Edit: And if you're asking why they like Trump or are excited he's in office, because how many people flipped their shit when Obama was elected? Like I don't get how this isn't clear.

According to his voters, he's doing exactly what he promised in the first place.

This is a running list of the promises President Trump made on the campaign trail, and has kept in his 87 days in office, 1/41 of his presidency. Barely any of them have been reported on because of this bullshit Russia conspiracy theory that is swallowing the MSM. He has literally "Done more in 73 days than Obama did in 8 years." This is not only a running list of promises he has kept so far, but also things he has done that weren't even promised on the campaign trail. MAGA. (I will be updating this daily, whenever a new initiative comes to light.)
PROMISES MADE AND KEPT SO FAR:
Campaign Promise 1: To replace Antonin Scalia with a like-minded justice from a list of 20
Trump replaced Antonin Scalia with Neil Gorsuch, an incredibly qualified and Constitution-abiding justice
Campaign Promise 2: To suspend immigration from terror-prone countries
Trump has attempted to enact a Travel Ban that is 100% CONSTITUTIONAL AND is made from the seven (six, now) "countries of concern" outlined by the Hussein Administration. This has been blocked by an extremely liberal Hawaiian judge who was appointed by Obama. (The blocking of this travel ban might piss me off more than anything that has happened during his presidency, because judges should be blind to politics, but that is proving to be false.) Hopefully this will go to the Supreme Court and be overturned quickly.
Campaign Promise 3: To defund and crack down on sanctuary cities
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on sanctuary cities, threatening to defund them
Campaign Promise 4: To revive the Keystone Pipeline and Dakota Access Pipeline
The revival of the Dakota and Keystone XL Pipelines creating American jobs
Campaign Promise 5: To pull the US out of the TPP, an Obama-era trade deal detrimental to the US
Trump pulled us out of the TPP which would have been absolutely disastrous for the US
Campaign Promise 6: DONALD TRUMP LOVES WOMEN AND WANTS TO HELP WOMEN!
Trump has signed an Executive Order promoting women in STEM jobs (careers real feminists strive for, not "dance therapy" feminists)
Trump has Launched a Council empowering female leaders and female entrepreneurs
Campaign Promise 7: To renegotiate, or pull out of Bill Clinton's terrible trade deal, NAFTA
Trump met with Justin Trudeau (what a joke) to discuss the tweaking of NAFTA to benefit the US more, after he threatens to leave it
Campaign Promise 8: To undo ridiculous Obama-era federal agency regulations
Trump ordered a two-for-one repeal for all new regulations enacted by federal agencies
Campaign Promise 9: To rollback Obama-era regulations on small businesses
Trump has rolled back ridiculous Obama-era regulations that have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to hire employees
Trump has already saved taxpayers $86 Billion by cutting regulations
Campaign Promise 10: To help America's inner-cities deeply in need of rebuilding
Trump has signed an Executive Order to give major funding to "Historically Black Colleges and Universities," helping out inner-cities immensely
Campaign Promise 11: To protect our policemen, the true everyday heroes
Trump signed an Executive Order protecting our police
Campaign Promise 12: To crackdown on illegal immigration and to BUILD A WALL
Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on illegal immigration and he has started the WALL initiative
Campaign Promise 13: To bolster our depleted military
Trump has increased our military budget because we don't want to use our military, but want to be prepared to use it
Campaign Promise 14: To enact a five year lobbying ban on government Officials after they leave office
Trump has placed a five year and lifetime lobbying ban on government officials for when they leave office
Campaign Promise 15: To crackdown on drug cartels and illegal drugs crossing the border
Trump signed an Executive Order cracking down on drug cartels
Campaign Promise 16: To revitalize the dying coal industry in the US
Trump has enacted Joint Resolution 38 putting thousands of coal miners back to work
Campaign Promise 17: To create American JOBS and bring companies back to America
Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier promising to bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US.
Trump has met with CEOs from huge companies to work on bringing jobs back to America
There was an increase of 298,000 jobs in February alone (liberals will say that counts in Obama's fiscal year, but we know the truth)
Trump met with Intel CEO who promised $7 Billion investment and over 3,000 high paying (not "shovel ready" bullshit jobs) in America
Trump met with the CEO of Softbank who has promised 50,000 more American jobs and has already fulfilled 3,000 of those jobs
Kroger has promised over 10,000 new jobs in the era of Trump
The month of March yielded 263,000 new jobs, which passes the month's estimated 185,000 Big League
Campaign Promise 18: Pushing NATO allies to pay their fair share or face the reality of the US possibly leaving
Trump has put major pressure on the members of NATO to pay their fair and equal share because there are only a handful of countries in NATO who currently pay as much as agreed upon
Campaign Promise 19: To make America energy independent, relieving us from our dependence on foreign entities, such as OPEC
Trump has taken major steps towards America's energy independence
Campaign Promise 20: To enact a hiring freeze on government employees to help stop corruption
Trump enacted a hiring freeze to all federal employees, cutting down on the over-bloated bureaucracy
Campaign Promise 21: Trump could be the president that takes us to Mars!
Trump signed a Bill allowing NASA funding, including an exploration to Mars
Campaign Promise 22: To undo many of Obama's unconstitutional Executive Orders
Rescinding (one of) Obama's incredibly unconstitutional actions regarding transgender bathrooms in schools
Campaign Promise 23: The repeal and replacement of Obamacare. The recent GOP fallout of AHCA Plan was no fault of Trump's. The blame solely belongs to Speaker Ryan. He created a shit bill and couldn't even capitalize to get enough votes. Obamacare will crash in 2017 when individual mandates kick in and Democrats will be to blame. That is when Trump will truly work to Repeal and Replace it with a plan he promised us.
Trump got rid of the idiotic penalty in Obamacare that fines you if you choose not to participate in the program
Campaign Promise 24: To "Bomb the shit out of ISIS"
A few days ago, Trump dropped the YUGE MOAB on a group of ISIS militants, killing 90+ terrorists and causing damage to underground tunnels and technology
He called for a drone strike in Afghanistan killing Qari Yasin, a Pakistani Al-Qaeda leader
Campaign Promise 25: To not take a salary as President
He donated his first quarterly salary to the National Park Service
Campaign Promise 26: To reform the VA and make it easier for Vets to get more healthcare opportunities
He signed A Bill allowing veterans to seek healthcare outside of the broken VA system
ACTIONS NOT PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN PUT IN EFFECT:
(Even though it was Mike Pence) The defunding of clinics that perform abortions. Because no matter whether you are pro-choice/pro-life, the government should not be funding abortions. (Also, if people bring up the Hyde Amendment which is supposed to not let any federal funding go towards abortions, LET THEM KNOW that US taxpayers pay for about 24% of abortions despite of that "amendment")
Huge spikes in the NASDAQ average index and the DOW average index starting November 8th. (This will count for Obama unfortunately, but we know where the real credit belongs.)
He has placed sanctions on Iran after they tested ballistic missiles
He has met with/talked to over 30 foreign leaders.
Trump has moved on to tax reform, lowering taxes for Americans
He negotiated down the Price of the new Air Force One one billion dollars in a meeting that lasted just one hour
He issued major cuts to the costs of the F-35 saving billions
He has opened the eyes of the American public to just how unbelievably corrupt (pretty believable to most) the Hussein Administration was.

More nonsense

Charter Communications will spend 25 billion in the US and hire 25k employees
45,000 construction & manufacturing jobs
Thousands of illegal criminals detained and deported, including child trafficking, via ICE
Neil Gorsuch SC Nominee
Brian Krzanich, CEO of Intel to invest $7 Billion in American INNOVATION and JOBS!
Samsung may build US factory
Executive order preventing travel to the US from 7 at risk countries
Executive Order to strip funding for sanctuary cities
Executive Order making massive cuts to the UN
Opening investigation into voter fraud
Executive Orders advancing Keystone XL, Dakota Access oil pipelines
1 in, 2 out regulation policy EO
Ban on lobbying post government positions
Hiring freeze on federal workers
Toyota to add 400 jobs, $600M into Indiana SUV factory
Reinstating a ban on providing federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide information on the option
Executive order for eliminating fines for individuals who do not carry health insurance
Renegotiating NAFTA
Nominated the first female Secretary of the Air Force
Winston Churchill bust back in the White House
Withdrawl from the TPP
Started "Bombing the Hell out of ISIS" - Al Queda leader taken out
Returnend 20% of the money appointed for the transition costs back to the Treasury
GM will add 1,500 new & retained US jobs and invest $1Billion dollars in the US
Kroger Co. plans to add 10,000 jobs in 2017
SAP SE is adding 400 jobs
Lockheed Martin intends to hire 1,800 new workers in the coming months
Bayer AG will invest $8 Billion domestically
LKQ announces 150 jobs and a new HQ in Nashville plans
Hiring freeze on non-essential federal employees (minus military)
Wal-Mart will add 10,000 jobs this year
Amazon to create more than 100,000 full-time jobs in the U.S. within the next 18 months
Alibaba will create a plan to bring 1 million jobs to the United States
Fiat-Chrysler announced a $1 billion expansion of its plants in Michigan and Ohio that it will create 2,000 jobs
Ford cancels Mexico plant and will create 700 US jobs
Sprint, OneWeb announces it will bring 8000 jobs to the United States
SoftBank Telecommunications will add 50,000 jobs to the US
U.S. Steel will add 10,000 jobs to the US
IBM to add 25,000 jobs to the US
Carrier to keep 1000 jobs in the US

Now note, I'm not saying this is all accurate and maybe you or others don't like the thing he has put into action so far, but the fact of the matter is, unlike everyone previously voted for. He IS doing a lot of the things people excited about him who elected him in the first place...or at least people believe that.

So a elected official actually doing what he promised? That's probably amazing to anyone who is apart of the younger generation. (once again, whether you like it or if it actually is happening. This is what the "alt-right" thinks. Which at this point, I'm convinced is a another means nothing label anyway...)

You don't have to like my answer, but this isn't some kind of trick answer...it's the best one I got...and hopefully you can accept it.

[Dolerman]

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please cease and desist with your shitty impact font memes. thank you.

@Grimhildr

No.

[skidcrow]

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No.

@Dynamo Frokane

alert: i need backup. yes, code 3. someone is wielding weaponised autism and refusing to surrender. yes, i can wait.

[Dolerman]

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alert: i need backup. yes, code 3. someone is wielding weaponised autism and refusing to surrender. yes, i can wait.

@Grimhildr

So this is how you show apathy? I'd hate to see you responding to someone who's opinions you DO give a shit about...

[skidcrow]

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So this is how you show apathy? I'd hate to see you responding to someone who's opinions you DO give a shit about...

@Dynamo Frokane

hey, look, at least i'm not the dude who's so self-absorbed in his own ego, he feels the need to count how many people hate him, and then count how many times those people comment on his threads. like, i thought i had a god complex, man, but you take the cake.

and yeah, i'm pretty sure making a joke about your idiocy is apathy. i'm sorry, was it too harsh?

[Dolerman]

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hey, look, at least i'm not the dude who's so self-absorbed in his own ego, he feels the need to count how many people hate him, and then count how many times those people comment on his threads. like, i thought i had a god complex, man, but you take the cake.

and yeah, i'm pretty sure making a joke about your idiocy is apathy. i'm sorry, was it too harsh?

@Grimhildr

Do you have these numbers somewhere? I'd actually love to see them if you could pull them up.

Trust me, you getting upset over memes doesn't rank extremely high in things I consider harsh, you can relax, I promise not to cry.

[skidcrow]

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Do you have these numbers somewhere? I'd actually love to see them if you could pull them up.

Trust me, you getting upset over memes doesn't rank extremely high in things I consider harsh, you can relax, I promise not to cry.

@Dynamo Frokane

wow, now you think my reference towards your shitty memes means i'm legitimately upset? god, i almost pity you sometimes.

also, here you go:

I get a warm feeling when someone who cant stand me cant stay away from my threads. I count 5 this year.

@Dynamo Frokane

and the source is "fandoms you like/dislike", another burning trash pile from the great mind of dynamo frokane.