[OOC] Fate/Eunoia

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Is Lugh banned because of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception?

[BB]

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said
BB and Sakaki are saying their apps will be up by Sunday. I'm saying that here because I know there's a good chance that this actually won't be the case, in the hopes that this will somewhat incentivize them accordingly. It's because I care, you two.;w;

But I'm sick and have better things to do need to rest and get better. ;W;

[Phonic]

Tatsua Aiisen said
I guess I'll probably want to take Cool Cat Cu Chulainn, once my Master is posted and accepted.

Sure, assuming this offer is still on the table.

[Tatsua Aiisen]

Phonic said
Sure, assuming this offer is still on the table.

Then it's decided, Team Gae Maid is a go.

[Phonic]

Tatsua Aiisen said
Then it's decided, Team Gae Maid is a go.

Best team NA. Also something about it being a pleasure working with you in the future or something akin to this.

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

Tatsua Aiisen said
Then it's decided, Team Gae Maid is a go.

You want me to edit that team name into the OP? Team names are fun.

Also, that makes four pairs made~

And my prediction regarding a certain pair of apps seems to have been spot-on~

[Phonic]

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said
You want me to edit that team name into the OP? Team names are fun.Also, that makes four pairs made~

Sure. Why not? It is also more interesting such as~

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

Alrighty~

Other teams, make team names or have team names be made for you.

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Team Abe-no-ReiRei :P

Edit: I'm fine with 14 angry men too, though some of the Shikigami are probably going to be gals.''

Edit2: Or I could have all 12 Shikigami be gals, and have a kemonomimi harem... Nah...

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Yulia is complete, btw

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

Yulia is capable of synthesizing mythological metals (I.E. mithril, oricalcum, adamant(ine), thokcha, etc.); as well as other alchemical products such as Alkahest and Panacea (their actual effects fall short of the mythological all-dissolving and all-curing properties).

What can all of these do?

Reagents and tools for alchemical crafting

Specify what this contains.

Lion's Cradle

How much wire does she have, not counting the replacements?

hroughout the next six years Yulia collected extensive data on the past Holy Grail Wars and the Grail War system, and through deductive reasoning understands the current state of the grail's corruption to a certain extent. Despite knowing of the Grail's flawed wish granting, Yulia has an interest in the Corrupted Grail's content: the 'mud'.

What did she do to figure all of this out? Keep in mind that neither the Church nor the Association had substantive records on the Grail's corruption prior to the Fifth War, especially not in regards to the mud. You can change it to something more of a suspicion that there is "something wrong" with the Grail, ergo just making her knowledge on it vaguer, or if you have a way to justify her getting that kind of intel, that's fine too, but just research+deductive reasoning is too vague.

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Materials

Mithril is very light and as strong as steel
Adamant is as heavy as steel, but far stronger
Orichalcum doesn't really do much of anything; it's just mentioned routinely through mythology.
Thokcha (i.e. thunderbolt or meteoric iron) is naturally suited to use in weapons. Injuries caused by a weapon made from Thokcha are generally more severe than if the weapon was made of ordinary iron or steel. Additionally, thunderbolt iron has an association with lightning.
Alkahest is a very concentrated acid
Panacea is a liquid that can be either imbibed or smeared on a wound like an ointment. Imbibed it can act as an antidote for many poisonous substances, and smeared on a wound it staunches bleeding and promotes wound closure and healing.

Reagents and Tools

An aludel, an athanor, crucibles, cupels, mortars, pestals, test tubes, beakers, Erlenmeyer flasks, pipettes, petri dishes, graduated cylinders, volumetric cylinders, burettes, funnels, filters, condensers, dessicators, rubber tubing, plastic tubing, hose barbs, glass joints, bungs, stoppers, valves, Bunsen burner, Teclu burner, Meker-Fisher burner, burner fuel, scales, weights, iron ingots, aluminum ingots, titanium ingots, copper ingots, smaller gold ingots, magnesium strips, powdered calcium, powdered graphite, powdered diamond, powdered sulfur, purified water, powdered herbs, tree sap, nitric acid, and hydrochloric acid.

Lion

The Lion's Cradle is usually connected to 100' of wire.

War Knowledge

The Atlas Alchemist's whole shtick is collecting, extracting, and managing data to make the most plausible predictions about it. The bare bones of the facts are:
~The Einzberns were defeated almost immediately in the 3rd war after summoning an extremely weak servant
~The Lesser Grail of the 3rd war was destroyed, preventing victory from being claimed. This is why the Church were called in as mediators
~Gilles de Rais, a notably evil man, is summoned into the 4th war as a 'Heroic Spirit'. This shouldn't have been possible with the Grail's system
~The Einzberns hired Kiritsugu for the 4th war. Despite being in a position to win the war, Kiritsugu destroyed the 4th war's Lesser Grail
~The destruction of the grail sparks a massive conflagration in Fuyuki that took many lives and devastated the area
~The 5th war was set into motion only 10 years after the 4th war, breaking the usual 60 year cycle

The Einzberns might have been on a losing streak at the time of the 3rd war, but they were still an 8 generation magus family with loads of dough and the ability to acquire top-tier catalysts. There wasn't any reason for their servant to be shit-tier, so something's wrong there. The Lesser Grail has been destroyed before without interrupting the 60 year cycle, so the theory that the mana from the 4th war was recycled being the cause of the premature 5th war doesn't hold. Similarly there was no widespread destruction following the 3rd war's Lesser Grail's destruction; unlike the disaster that followed the destruction of the 4th war's Lesser Grail. The "colorless" wish granting contents of the grail shouldn't have any reason to cause destruction. It's fairly clear then that the Einzberns did something during the third war that's placed the Grail in an altered state. Investigation of Kiritsugu past (while difficult, 6 years chasing leads is a long time) could turn up a number of freelance sealing designations and his behavior during them. With that data the recurring ideal of 'sacrifice the few for the many' could be seen, bringing into question his reasons for destroying a wish-granting grail that could carry out his ideal.

From my point of view, the bare minimum conclusions that can be drawn from a thorough investiagtion are that the grail has been tainted by something literally evil, it no longer grants wishes, and the contents are dangerous. While she might not know it as 'mud' per se, and certainly hasn't made the connection to Angra Mainyu, she understands that the contents are in an altered state and pose a danger to the world.

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

Materials, Reagents, and the Cradle are all fine. Do keep in mind synthesizing materials will take some time.

However:

~The Lesser Grail of the 3rd war was destroyed, preventing victory from being claimed. This is why the Church were called in as mediators

Church

They were called in after the Second War because everyone was like "WHOO NO RULES NO PARENTS".

Third War became a battle over the Lesser Grail with the Nazis and whatnot, but I don't recall it ever being said to have been destroyed.

~Gilles de Rais, a notably evil man, is summoned into the 4th war as a 'Heroic Spirit'. This shouldn't have been possible with the Grail's system

That wasn't really public knowledge. Even the mathematicians aren't going to know something like that.

Despite being in a position to win the war, Kiritsugu destroyed the 4th war's Lesser Grail

See above.

The Lesser Grail has been destroyed before without interrupting the 60 year cycle, so the theory that the mana from the 4th war was recycled being the cause of the premature 5th war doesn't hold.

Nani?

Q: Even though it should only happen every 60 years, was the 10 year gap between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars as short as it was because the Lesser Grail was destroyed before the Greater Grail could direct the accumulated mana to establish its pathway trapped some unused mana in the Grail?

A: That’s true. In fact, you could say that the function of the Greater Grail was already muddled when when it was impregnated with Avenger in the Third War.

Similarly there was no widespread destruction following the 3rd war's Lesser Grail's destruction; unlike the disaster that followed the destruction of the 4th war's Lesser Grail.

Can you give me a source on the Third War's Lesser Grail getting destroyed? It was a fight over the Grail, but like I said, I don't recall it being said to have gotten destroyed.

Investigation of Kiritsugu past (while difficult, 6 years chasing leads is a long time) could turn up a number of freelance sealing designations and his behavior during them. With that data the recurring ideal of 'sacrifice the few for the many' could be seen, bringing into question his reasons for destroying a wish-granting grail that could carry out his ideal.

See the Kiritsugu thing above.

From my point of view, the bare minimum conclusions that can be drawn from a thorough investiagtion are that the grail has been tainted by something literally evil, it no longer grants wishes, and the contents are dangerous. While she might not know it as 'mud' per se, and certainly hasn't made the connection to Angra Mainyu, she understands that the contents are in an altered state and pose a danger to the world.

Like I said, the suspicion that something's "wrong" with the Grail System is fine, but it'd pretty largely have to be vague. The level of information you want just isn't available.

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GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said They were called in after the Second War because everyone was like "WHOO NO RULES NO PARENTS". Third War became a battle over the Lesser Grail with the Nazis and whatnot, but I don't recall it ever being said to have been destroyed.

Granted, I got my muddled here. 3rd war and onward the Church was involved.

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said That wasn't really public knowledge. Even the mathematicians aren't going to know something like that.

But wouldn't the supervising Church keep records of who participate/who won/the general goings on of the war? Like I mentioned in Yulia's biography, her whole investigation started with snooping through 8th Sacrament records. Since the Church is in charge of controlling information and cover-ups for the war, I'd think that covering up Bluebeard's Tentacle monster's appearance in the middle of the river would have been a big thing.

See above.

Again, wouldn't the 8th Sacrament keep records of the happenings of the war?

Nani?

I've seen that Q&A before, but nonetheless the Third Lesser Grail was destroyed and the fourth war didn't come any sooner, so it seems inconsistent.

Can you give me a source on the Third War's Lesser Grail getting destroyed? It was a fight over the Grail, but like I said, I don't recall it being said to have gotten destroyed.

Fate Complete Material III: World Material, in the timeline on page 7

1930s
Third Grail War
Held on the eve of WWII. There were battles over the Lesser Grail with the Imperial Army and the Nazis as well, and the fighting unfolded in the Imperial Capital, but the Lesser Grail was destroyed and the ritual failed. The evocation site of the Grail was at Fuyuki Church. Angra Mainyu was taken in and the Greater Grail was contaminated.

That's also why the Einzberns started using Homunculi as the vessels for the lesser grail, so that it could protect itself.

See the Kiritsugu thing above.

I'm not sure where you're going with this 'see above'. I'm not suggesting information on Kiritsugu is common knowledge, I'm suggesting that an exhaustive investigation conducted over 6 years by an inhuman intellect might turn up a pattern. I guess if you want to flat out say there are no leads and no one knows anything about it, that's your call as a GM.

Like I said, the suspicion that something's "wrong" with the Grail System is fine, but it'd pretty largely have to be vague. The level of information you want just isn't available.

Saying the information isn't out there feels a bit weak-sauce to me. Atlas' first director took information and extrapolated all the way to the end of the world; I'm not suggesting Yulia's anywhere near as good, but Nasu's alchemists can make some pretty ass-pull predictions and conclusions, and I still don't think I've gotten into ass-pull territory with what I'm asking for.

[BB]

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said

And my prediction regarding a certain pair of apps seems to have been spot-on~

I'll cough on you.

64-Hit Combo said
But wouldn't the supervising Church keep records of who participate/who won/the general goings on of the war? Like I mentioned in Yulia's biography, her whole investigation started with snooping through 8th Sacrament records. Since the Church is in charge of controlling information and cover-ups for the war, I'd think that covering up Bluebeard's Tentacle monster's appearance in the middle of the river would have been a big thing.

No they wouldn't keep a record of any of it, the Holy Grail War is so irrelevant and backwater they wouldn't waste the space that it'd take to keep records. If there are any records at all, they're with the Kotomine family, not the Holy Church. Literally everything is handled by them except cover ups; the Church really doesn't care. There's also the fact half the records aren't accurate because they've been rewritten to favor the Tokiomi's, and Kotomine probably fucked with them to benefit his own needs.

Like anyone participating in this is the equivalent of Cletus the backwater redneck who inbreds with his sister for better pleb magic circuits.

Kayneth only came to troll inbred shit magi because he's Kayneth.

64-Hit Combo said
Saying the information isn't out there feels a bit weak-sauce to me. Atlas' first director took information and extrapolated all the way to the end of the world; I'm not suggesting Yulia's anywhere near as good, but Nasu's alchemists can make some pretty ass-pull predictions and conclusions, and I still don't think I've gotten into ass-pull territory with what I'm asking for.

Sion can only predict a normal humans moves a few hours in advance, and that's with reading his soul and essentially knowing everything going on in the city to help her calculations. And Sion is good enough to instantly become Vice Director and surpass Zepia(Who can solo most of this RP without TATARI) in the use of Etherlite.

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

小聖杯を巡り帝国陸軍やナチスを交え、帝都を舞台に戦いが繰り広げられたが、小聖杯が破壊され 失敗。
The Imperial Army and Nazis clashed around the Lesser Grail. The battle was fought on Imperial turf, but the Lesser Grail was accidentally destroyed.

Ah right, my bad. Got confused, for some reason.

Either way, it's not contradictory, you just need to check the wording.

Q: Even though it should only happen every 60 years, was the 10 year gap between the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars as short as it was because the Lesser Grail was destroyed before the Greater Grail could direct the accumulated mana to establish its pathway trapped some unused mana in the Grail?

Third War would have just seen the Grail destroyed too late in the game, when direction had started but hadn't been completed. Of course that's never said outright so it's iffy, but it's the quickest way to non-contradiction.

I'm suggesting that an exhaustive investigation conducted over 6 years by an inhuman intellect might turn up a pattern.

You're overestimating how much Atlas cares about the outside world by a lot. Either way, the only people around for the event you're saying they know were Kiritsugu, Gil, and Seibah, info gathering doesn't change that. They can know his ideology, sure, that wasn't what I was speaking to.

Atlas' first director took information and extrapolated all the way to the end of the world

Mhm, but that's the point of Atlas. Their whole basis is that their alchemists will reach the result that you can't stop the end of the world, and will go crazy once they learn that and do everything they can to override it. It's just the result of MATH.

Not even Sion can do what you're saying though, and you're sub-Sion by a lot.

Problem is that you're trying to solve a math problem when you don't have the variables. It's not like Dust of Osiris's Not!Moon Cell, you're way more limited than something like that in terms of your intel. You've got that in War Three the Einzberns screwed up for some reason and the Grail got smashed, then in War Four there was a tentacle monster and the Grail got smashed again, and that time when it got smashed the place it was in got wrecked. That can lead to "Yo, something seems weird with this cup, maybe it's evil". That can't lead to "the grail has been tainted by something literally evil, it no longer grants wishes, and the contents are dangerous".

Anyway check what BB said on the other stuff, he put it together better.

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BB said I'll cough on you.

Love you too~

[BB]

GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow said
Love you too~

Just spreading Ebola chan's love.

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

BB said
Just spreading Ebola chan's love.

Don't forget, watchers at home, you can't cure love!

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So I suppose it's out of the question that she contacted Kiritsugu at some point? (I'm not trying to be facetious, this is a serious question. Just want to make that clear because the internet can make regular questions seem like assholish rhetoric).

[GuyYouWishYouDidntKnow]

Correct.