Grand Jury Does Not Charge Darren Wilson in Ferguson Case

[Mtntopview]

ASTA said
I think when Kidd posted that link, they were trying to dispel the on-going myth that blacks in America are the only racial group in the country that riot over stupid shit. A quick glimpse at the various Yahoo! News articles reporting on the Brown story only reinforces the severity of this misconception. In reality, the media only reports on this stuff because it wants to keep race relations poor between blacks and whites. But at the heart of all of this, it's only ape-dom. Tribal groups vs tribal groups; survival of the fittest. It's less about filthy racists, bonehead Tea Baggers and dirty lib-tards and more about multiple groups of primates giving in to their primal instincts and psychological drives. I say embrace it, honestly. Give in to your inner ape. You can't run from it. So you might as well hone it into a weapon that you can use to forward your own group's goals and interests.

Thanks for clarifying that ... I guess. And yes, humans are stupid. As Ironhide put it best: "they're a primitive and violent race"

[The Nexerus]

The evidence was insufficient for an indictment to be made. Angry mobs don't get to decide guilt and innocence, or who is charged for what crime. The only positive I can salvage from this is that I imagine that the protests/riots, for all of their carelessness and destruction, will at least focus more attention on ensuring transparency and fairness in future police proceedings.

[Mtntopview]

The Nexerus said
The evidence was insufficient for an indictment to be made. Angry mobs don't get to decide guilt and innocence, or who is charged for what crime. The only positive I can salvage from this is that I imagine that the protests/riots, for all of their carelessness and destruction, will at least focus more attention on ensuring transparency and fairness in future police proceedings.

Exactly. Or the KKK would have had all blacks killed and the Jewish and other non-white protestants banned from America. Stupid KKK.

Just because you believe your right, doesn't mean your actually right

[Dinh AaronMk]

Mtntopview said
Just because you believe your right, doesn't mean your actually right

To be right or wrong is a purely subjective thing. You could examine every possible fact, grand or small, and still not come to a conclusion any one action is better than the other or anymore "correct". To assume this matter has moral absolutes just dillutes the Hell out of it.

On one side you have Missouri law over whether or not you can shoot someone if they could very possible be armed. For all the officer knew Brown was armed and in any one of the scenarios revealed by eyewitness testimony there was a chance he was reaching for a weapon to shoot the officer. You then have the matter than he did assault the officer, though this in itself would not be grounds to shoot him. However the assumption that he would be armed provided enough grounds for there to be action.

On the other side we have a dead 18 year old who we now know was not armed, and could have acted differently to change the course of action (however he was dumb enough to not). This also acts as a platform to discuss Missouri's self-defense laws (which I haven't seen anyone do) and police militarization (which I've only see other police debates discuss actually).

In the end it came down to a sample of the local population to make a unanimous decision on the Brown case provided the pages of forensic and physical evidence and hours of often conflicting witness testimony. In the end, it was this body that elected to give a pass on the case and not pass an indictment on which to charge the officer. Because to that end: he was acting inside the law.

The unfortunate thing about this case if that it's become too political. And too political for very possibly the wrong reason and on the wrong subject. And now it's blown up.

Therefore, it is bullshit and should be swept aside so we can try to argue about something new while keeping our head on straight.

[Mtntopview]

Dinh AaronMk said
To be right or wrong is a purely subjective thing. You could examine every possible fact, grand or small, and still not come to a conclusion any one action is better than the other or anymore "correct". To assume this matter has moral absolutes just dillutes the Hell out of it.On one side you have Missouri law over whether or not you can shoot someone if they could very possible be armed. For all the officer knew Brown was armed and in any one of the scenarios revealed by eyewitness testimony there was a chance he was reaching for a weapon to shoot the officer. You then have the matter than he did assault the officer, though this in itself would not be grounds to shoot him. However the assumption that he would be armed provided enough grounds for there to be action.On the other side we have a dead 18 year old who we now know was not armed, and could have acted differently to change the course of action (however he was dumb enough to not). This also acts as a platform to discuss Missouri's self-defense laws (which I haven't seen anyone do) and police militarization (which I've only see other police debates discuss actually).In the end it came down to a sample of the local population to make a unanimous decision on the Brown case provided the pages of forensic and physical evidence and hours of often conflicting witness testimony. In the end, it was this body that elected to give a pass on the case and not pass an indictment on which to charge the officer. Because to that end: he was acting inside the law.The unfortunate thing about this case if that it's become too political. And too political for very possibly the wrong reason and on the wrong subject. And now it's blown up.Therefore, it is bullshit and should be swept aside so we can try to argue about something new while keeping our head on straight.

Again, I don't care enough to get into the details. All I see is people looting businesses and causing unnecessary damage to the community.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Mtntopview said
Again, I don't care enough to get into the details. All I see is people looting businesses and causing unnecessary damage to the community.

This is also Missouri. It's not like they're going to make off with anything that's not already left anyways. The state - and the St Louis area - is long passed its golden days with the railroad having gone with the wind.

[ActRaiserTheReturned]

TheMusketMan said
First of all, Missouri kinda blows. Second of all, Ferguson also kinda blows. Even more so than Missouri. That guy chose to tangle with a United States Officer of the Law, who's job it is to protect the people of America. He got shot. Turns out he was an asshole anyway. Also turns out he was black. And the officer was white. Ferguson makes it a race thing, it gets taken to court, Officer wins, everyone loses their shit over a scumbag criminal, Anarchy ensues. I typically make it a point to avoid Missouri...because it blows.

It looks exactly like Misery anyway.

[Robeatics]

A lot of people seem to love to mention that Mike Brown was an alleged criminal before his encounter with Darren Wilson as if that justifies anything at all. If it is believed to explain his alleged agression then I can only ask why he would be so suicidal/violent in the first place, regardless of criminal record. If it is only offhandedly mentioned as some kind of justification for his death then, damn, I very much encourage the regular execution of all petty theives and online pirates as well. Cover the bases.

[So Boerd]

Kidd said
Well when you're taught to shoot, you're taught to shoot to kill. The idea is that you shouldn't shoot people without the intention to kill. Idk if it's the same police officers, but that's what they teach citizens applying for conceal and carry and the like. I assume it is, though? But the shots in "nonlethal places" would probably be ascribed to, as I think mentioned here, any fear Wilson was feeling. Evidence of him not shooting straight, maybe? Idk.

He obviously did have intent to kill, he was just a sucky shot.

[Protagonist]

Robeatics said
A lot of people seem to love to mention that Mike Brown was an alleged criminal before his encounter with Darren Wilson as if that justifies anything at all. If it is believed to explain his alleged agression then I can only ask why he would be so suicidal/violent in the first place, regardless of criminal record. If it is only offhandedly mentioned as some kind of justification for his death then, damn, I very much encourage the regular execution of all petty theives and online pirates as well. Cover the bases.

Not really an "alleged" criminal. There's security footage of him using physical force to steal things from people.
It's not so much that petty thieves should be summarily executed, but given that Mike Brown kind of gives credit to the whole self-defense theory. Had Mike Brown been a nice gentle giant who liked to hug orphaned baby penguins, then it would be a lot more fair to call "bullshit!" when someone claims they were attacked by him. However, since Brown is was a criminal who liked to use physical violence to his personal gain, the claim that they were attacked seems more plausible.

Imagine if you will:
A police officer who hasn't been known to cause trouble (and even has a commendation) encounters a person who's a known violent criminal. The latter is shot. My conclusion would likely not be that the police officer lynched the guy. It would simply be out-of-character for Wilson to shoot a guy because he's black, but it would not be out of character for Brown to punch a police officer.

[Robeatics]

Protagonist said
Imagine if you will: A police officer who hasn't been known to cause trouble (and even has a commendation) encounters a person who's a known violent criminal. The latter is shot. My conclusion would likely not be that the police officer lynched the guy. It would simply be out-of-character for Wilson to shoot a guy because he's black, but it would not be out of character for Brown to punch a police officer.

According to Wilson's testimony, Mike Brown punched him with his right arm, and only seconds after saying that he also said the boy held a box of cigarillos in his right hand. Even if Brown had attacked Wilson, what reason would Wilson have for shooting him as he ran away? And what reason would Brown have for "bulking up" and charging at him as he was being shot?

It's just all incredibly suspicious. Wilson's prosecutor has several family members in the police force, which means he was pretty obviously in support of Wilson. This was meant to answer questions and leave little doubt as to what happened but Wilson's story is just very difficult to believe.

[Dinh AaronMk]

At the same time there's no consistent testimony in defense of Brown as much as there is for Wilson. It's beyond an actual case at this moment. It's a circus act. Just let this shit die so federal investigations can get under way without getting politicized.