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France and surrender is the worst stereotype ever

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Since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn (or as close as you can "draw" a war) 10 times. Professional boxers have been crowned world champions on shittier records than that.

And while it is true that France surrendered to Germany relatively early in WWII, that was only because they hadn't picked themselves up after WWI yet. And WWI (despite being an entire "I" lower) wasn't exactly an anemic playground chickenfight--the French suffered about 5.7 million casualties (the war killed or wounded an incredible 37 million people worldwide).

So yes, the next time around they let the Germans take over officially, but they never actually stopped fighting: the French resistance was one of the most enduring symbols of Nazi opposition in Europe. The resistance was the originator of the archetypal trench coat wearing merchants of bloody death you see in countless action movies and video games today. They blew up bridges, staged daring night raids, slit German throats while generally looking fantastic (if a little ennui-stricken) while doing it.

And not a damn thing's changed since then: France is the most underestimated military force in the world, with the third highest military spending on the planet and an estimated 300 nuclear warheads at their disposal. So basically... we might want to knock off the "coward" talk now, lest we find the impeccably-styled death squads smoking their thin cigarettes on our doorstep.



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solamelike said
France and surrender is the worst stereotype everSource=cracked


Though I have doubts about Cracked's legitimacy, French military is not something to mess with.

Check out Global Firepower's stats on them. Link
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We can give the French credit where its due, but let's never forget this piece of merde.
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Though I have doubts about Cracked's legitimacy,


If you would rather look at Cracked's sources directly:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties#Casualties_by_1914_borders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_resistance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_nuclear_weapons#Estimated_worldwide_nuclear_stockpiles

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.Check out Global Firepower's stats on them.


I like looking at that site and comparing the US to everywhere else.
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Pepperm1nts said
We can give the French credit where its due, but let's never forget .


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Unless you have a specific plan, I would go for Eisenhower, he was popular back in the days (still rated pretty high among presidents) and generally got positive things done.


I've been seriously considering Dewey winning in '44 or '48, and then re-elected, then I guess I'll have to see who gets elected in '52. A consequence of Dewey's election however could very well be no 22nd Amendment, as it was primarily a Republican backed bill aimed at preventing a Democratic domination of the presidency(mainly due to FDR's four terms and Truman's subsequent election).
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When will the IC start?
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When will the IC start?


After everyone finished their sheets.
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What precisely do you want in re military?


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My preliminary list of Presidents. :D

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Hopefully I can finish my sheet today. I kept getting interrupted last time I tried to complete it -_-.
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Hopefully I can finish my sheet today. I kept getting interrupted last time I tried to complete it -_-.


Don't worry, take your time.
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Do you still have room for Southern Rhodesia?
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Do you still have room for Southern Rhodesia?


Sure, its all yours, make sure you consult with UK and SA players first before starting.
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lol @ people taking small and insignificant nations.
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lol @ people taking small and insignificant nations.


I wonder why...
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Syria insignificant? Just you wait. Watch out Israel, Muslim super power coming through!
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Syria insignificant? Just you wait. Watch out Israel, Muslim super power coming through!


Should have gone with Iran and tried to recreate the Persian Empire.
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Southern Rhodesia interests me. That's why I picked it. It's also not very insignificant in the long run.

I'll have a chat with Outcast. Thank you for having me, expect a sheet tomorrow.
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Should have gone with Iran and tried to recreate the Persian Empire.


Me and Iran have issues. Plus I'd probably get cock blocked at Thermopylae by a renewed Sparta.

Besides, Syria has strong links to Ṣalāḥ al-Dīn, and Lord knows I love me a bit of Ṣalāḥ.

EDIT: Thinking about it, at the risk of civil war, I could lean towards Israel. Westernise to the max. Having read more and more Syrian history, civil war seems inevitable no matter what I do. Like, as messed up as it sounds, military dictatorships are the only thing that kept the country stable for any period of time. Meh.

Like, it's not even the rival factions of Islam are are causing the beef as in Iraq. It's tribal too. Maybe a "wise" dictator, who only holds power so he can transform the country until a time it is ready for democracy... then again I'm fairly sure that's how all permanent dictatorships start.
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