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@Turt's link: Blatantly racist white-washing of history? What the fuck? Does the author think the story is supposed to take place in Subsaharan Africa?
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Ariel is pretty smutty.
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The Nexerus said
@Turt's link: Blatantly racist white-washing of history? What the fuck? Does the author think the story is supposed to take place in Subsaharan Africa?




I was going to write a not funny joke @So Boerd, but then I realized he's new and doesn't really understand things here yet.
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Saudi Arabia is well known for its snowfall and cold temperatures.
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Dark Wind said Just saw Frozen finally. Loved it.

However, the topic of the "Let It Go" scene has apparently come up in many articles. Some have reported a dislike for the character of Elsa letting her hair down and then transforming appearance into a more sexualized "empowered" woman.

Personally (at least for now), I feel like these articles are grasping at straws mainly because compared to other disney characters (Jasmine, Pocahontas, Ariel), Elsa seems pretty tame. And for that matter, what is so terrible about "sexiness" anyway? Don't get it twisted, objectification is wrong. However, I find this attack on sexual liberation to be oddly misplaced.

Thoughts?


I never saw the movie myself but I went ahead and looked this scene up.
They're grasping at straws... This stuff happens all the time... *Gasp* Her hair is down! Skin shows! Sexualization!

ActRaiserTheReturned said
No. I'm implying that anything involving incest is filthy and unacceptable. Including with the Lesbian involvement with it.


So you're against homosexuality? :P
Ok, I see a man and a woman being married as an unnatural abomination.
I shall now prevent you from marrying the person you love, does that sound fair?

Dark Wind said
Not arguing against this. But kids do pick up things and lessons from media. Parents should probably show a little more control on what their children watch. Or at least take the time to explain certain things to them.


We should definitely keep aware of what media is teaching our kids.

I am very against censoring/limiting/controling what our children see.
Doing so simply blinds them from things and leaves from unprepared for such things when it pops up in the real world.

We're best off letting your child be exposed to it all, but being there to assist them, answer questions and encourage their curiosity.

Part of this involves knowing the messages the media is saying just so you know what they're telling your kid and can act/respond accordingly.
Like, if media says something like "You should be thin or no one will love you" that's obviously something you need to teach your child isn't the case, teach them to be happy with who they are and that media can be wrong.

Actually, the best thing you can probably do for your kids is not teach them anything directly. But rather just teach them to become critical and aware thinkers, so they are able to observe things rationally and make their own decisions rather than simply believing whatever they get told.

Turtlicious said
No? It's weird that the first thing you'd think of racism, not everyone sees other people as inferior dude. Maybe you should join us forward thinkers in the 21st century. lmaoWhat I was talking about.


So... because she prefers the company of men to women and has a pet tiger she's transgender? o.O

Talk about totally missing the point of what being transgender is...
There are tons of girls who prefer to be around boys than girls and they definitely still feel/identify as a woman.
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So you're against homosexuality? :P
Ok, I see a man and a woman being married as an unnatural abomination.
I shall now prevent you from marrying the person you love, does that sound fair?


What I said was that any incest at all, is filthy and disgusting. Incest is filthy and disgusting with same sex or opposite sex "relationships".
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ActRaiserTheReturned said
What I said was that any incest at all, is filthy and disgusting. Incest is filthy and disgusting with same sex or opposite sex "relationships".


Ah I see.

Though if you're just against incest I think we get the idea it doesn't matter their sexuality already.
There's no need to note lesbians separately in that sense.

It'd be like me saying "I'm against murder, and involvement of Bisexuals".
It's not really needed, if I'm against murder it's given I'll probably still be against it if the murderer is bi.
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The Nexerus said
Saudi Arabia is well known for its snowfall and cold temperatures.


Princess Jasmine, of Aladdin.

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ActRaiserTheReturned said
What I said was that any incest at all, is filthy and disgusting. Incest is filthy and disgusting with same sex or opposite sex "relationships".


I know that incest/religious shit can be super disgusting, blech.
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Turtlicious said
Princess Jasmine, of Aladdin.


I was referring to the part at the beginning of the article, where she was discussing Frozen.
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The Nexerus said
I was referring to the part at the beginning of the article, where she was discussing Frozen.


Oh ok, I just wanted to make sure because sometimes the multiple conversations run together, and then you're all of a sudden talking about incestuous, transgendered, arabian princesses, in the freezing alps of the Saharra
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Turtlicious said
No? It's weird that the first thing you'd think of racism, not everyone sees other people as inferior dude. Maybe you should join us forward thinkers in the 21st century. lmaoWhat I was talking about.


Tumblr, lol.
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Tumblr, lol.
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According to TV tropes, under "Misaimed Fandom":

"Frozen's Signature Song, Let It Go, is considered by many fans to be an empowerment theme, with LGBT fans specifically describing it as Elsa's coming out of the closet moment. In actuality, Elsa is running away from and forgetting about her responsibilities as queen to hide out in the mountains all by herself. She is being open about who she really is, but only after making sure no one else is around her, and when Anna comes to find her Elsa almost immediately panics and forces her to leave."
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And TV Tropes is always right.
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You know... Everyone could be genuinely right about this issue you know. Some LGBT people think it's an LGBT message to them and for them, great, good for them. Some other people think differently, great, good for them.

Ultimately fiction is here to inform or to entertain through escapism and other methods. To say that one person's interpreted version of Greedo Shot First Frozen is superior to another by sheer measure of feeling is dumb. It's a dumb argument. This whole stupid disagreement is dumb, and the reason Disney isn't piping in at all is because it's getting people to look at it, which means more people will buy it, regardless of what the intended message may or may not have been.

... Period, really. I haven't seen the film, I don't care about it, but this crap keeps spamming up everywhere. It needs to stop. Nobody has to be right on this. It doesn't matter. Let everyone have their fucking cake already.
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Everyone could be genuinely right about this issue you know.

It is about Schwarzchild discovering space lions, obviously.

There are no right answers, but there are a whole lot of wrong answers.
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Everyone Sane and Not Being Purposefully Difficult
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Brovo said
You know... could be genuinely right about this issue you know. Some LGBT people think it's an LGBT message , great, good for them. Some other people think differently, great, good for them.Ultimately fiction is here to inform or to entertain through escapism and other methods. To say that one person's interpreted version of Frozen is superior to another by sheer measure of feeling is dumb. It's a dumb argument. This whole stupid disagreement is , and the reason Disney isn't piping in at all is because it's getting people to look at it, which means more people will buy it, regardless of what the intended message may or may not have been.... Period, really. I haven't seen the film, I don't care about it, but this crap keeps spamming up everywhere. It needs to stop. Nobody has to be right on this. It doesn't matter. Let everyone have their fucking cake already.


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