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Also, now I will say that Pridania live in an environment similar to Ireland, with very similar accents. :3

Does that mean the countryside in Pridania is overrun with aos sí? :p
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CS is in production, will be ready for review tomorrow afternoon.
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I think I'll redo my CS actually. I feel like we have a lot of merchant characters but we could use someone with religious concerns in mind maybe?
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Well, it's incomplete due to still needing to come up with one last Weakness, but since the IC post is planned for tomorrow night I wanted to get the rest of it in so he could be accounted for and so I have time to fix any glaring issues.


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Just an idea... though, if people would be interested, could I make him a sibling of one of the current characters?

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Just an idea... though, if people would be interested, could I make him a sibling of one of the current characters?

I don't see why you'd need to make him someone's sibling, he's a strong enough character on his own.

In fact, giving him ties outside of the Church might dilute his zealotry a little, giving him an emotional weakness others could exploit. You could even take this to the extreme and make it that 'Samael' had found his own family guilty of heresy and had them all executed before taking control of their lands in the name of the Church.

Above a knight, an example for all knights...

This may be a little questionable.

Paladins were entitled by the Church while other knights had to undergo rigorous training and years of testing before being awarded their title by the Crown (since most knights were "landed" and so the titles were a scarse commodity, while the Church were only limited by how many suits of armour and sigils they could hand out.) This process required a vast amount of resources to achieve, usually making it the purview of only the nobility who could afford to dedicate their time to 'knightly pursuits' as someone else had to worry about where their meals came from.

Anyone could be named a Paladin though, with many 'lowborn' gaining their titles through acts of great piety and proof of their faith, rather than the usual manner of martial conduct and commitment to the code of chivalry (although usually the two overlapped a great deal.) Due to this most knights disliked the Paladins in general unless an individual could also prove their worth in battle or through some great valorous act, as the highborn nobles disliked having to rub shoulders with the gutter trash.

While the pious member of the public may see Samael as a virtuous hero, titled knights such as Ser Alistair and Sir Martin might instead see him as an upstart pretender, and the impious could see him as a blood crazed monster. Carmella really wouldn't get along with him at all, given that she and her people don't follow the teachings of the Church in any way.

It works perfectly fine if the profile is written from Samael's point of view however, since most monsters don't realise they're monsters and truly believe they're doing the right thing.

Nice choice on the name, by the way. Samael, the Angel of Death; the Venom, the Poison, and the Blindness of God.
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Well, it's incomplete due to still needing to come up with one last Weakness...

You could try 'Bastard', making the nature of his birth a point he'd have to work against in court, where some of the other Councilmembers would have problems working with someone who had no claim to be amongst them other than their Queen's word.

Not that Carmella would have a problem with him. She's found most bastards to be far more trustworthy than her fellow nobles, who had far more secrets to hide in their extended familes than a man alone could ever have to worry about.

Another option would be to make his continued existance a threat to his family's honour, and given their suppression of his father's will they're willing to use underhanded tactics to keep him out of sight. Have they gone as far as making arrangement to have his life shortened, to make sure he doesn't cause problems for them in future? Or would this mirror the 'Black Sheep' trait he already has?

Other than that, maybe something about his temperament, such as 'Hot-Heated', 'Brutal' or 'Blunt'? How would Sir Martin approach a situation, and how would his attitude to life affect the policies he would would put forth or support?
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I like it so far. Conditionally accepted.

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Hmm. I definitely like the character. I'm actually a little surprised no one else came up with a crusader-type already.

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Just letting you know, your character will also have fairly close relations with my character. Given that there's a decade of age difference between them as well, it's probably likely your character grew up sparring with mine, probably half as often as my character spent guarding or tutoring the High Queen.

I figger Lady Luxta is probably a real good person to practice against, given her defensive combat style.
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I figger Lady Luxta is probably a real good person to practice against, given her defensive combat style.

Not really great though, since if you train against opponents who're always defensive you'll struggle against more aggressive opponents in real combat.
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@Genni

Its actually why I think he should have connections to others, to add to the intrigue, to give people way to exploit him as else he'll be pretty damn close minded and hard to interact with.

As for the Paladin bit, they can come from the lower rungs but to quote my CS "Samael was born Albrech Sylvester, first son of a high profile noble in Vrenal." He's first grade nobility and had a pretty powerful career in front of him, the fact that he renounced all that actually makes him ooze goodliness even more annoyingly so.

ALSO, edited the char a bit, gave him some counter magic with a fancy, very fancy new weakness. Also: Holy order.

Should I replace Montisle with that?



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As for the Paladin bit, they can come from the lower rungs but to quote my CS "Samael was born Albrech Sylvester, first son of a high profile noble in Vrenal." He's first grade nobility and had a pretty powerful career in front of him, the fact that he renounced all that actually makes him ooze goodliness even more annoyingly so.

The fact he'd renounced his family name and titles would mean that he had no standing in Court, and so would be treated in a similar way to any lowborn commoner or bastard offspring by the stuck up prigs high born noble houses. He wouldn't be able to claim the station of a noble after doing that unless he'd gained control of those resources some other way.

Hence the suggestion of his heretical family.

Technically this would mean that his province would be under control of the Church, with Samael merely acting as their mouthpiece.

Luckily Carmella would have no such prejudice against him, but the way he kept killing anyone who spoke out against the word of his manifestation of dissociative identity disorder god wouldn't please the Laurensi lady. Mainly beacuse it's far more difficult to sell things to someone when they're dead, except in very special and specific circumstances which Samael definitely wouldn't be pleased about.

Should I replace Montisle with that?
That depends. How much did Corvinus upset the Church with his sinful ways, calling Samael's judgement down upon his head?

Or how much did the High Clerics covet Montisle prosperity for themselves, manipulating Samael into seizing the province to give them access to the wealth?
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The fact he'd renounced his family name and titles would mean that he had no standing in Court, and so would be treated in a similar way to any lowborn commoner or bastard offspring by the stuck up prigs high born noble houses. He wouldn't be able to claim the station of a noble after doing that unless he'd gained control of those resources some other way.

Hence the suggestion of his heretical family.

Technically this would mean that his province would be under control of the Church, with Samael merely acting as their mouthpiece.

Luckily Carmella would have no such prejudice against him, but the way he kept killing anyone who spoke out against the word of his manifestation of dissociative identity disorder god wouldn't please the Laurensi lady. Mainly beacuse it's far more difficult to sell things to someone when they're dead, except in very special and specific circumstances which Samael definitely wouldn't be pleased about.

<Snipped quote by Wernher>That depends. How much did Corvinus upset the Church with his sinful ways, calling Samael's judgement down upon his head?

Or how much did the High Clerics covet Montisle prosperity for themselves, manipulating Samael into seizing the province to give them access to the wealth?


are we talking about undead people?

oooo, Luxta knows all about that subject.
maybe.
you didn't hear that from me.
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@Genni I mean, sure he doesn't have resources, but even with all their resources, what can said nobles do against him? Samael has priestly authority so when he talks, he speaks the truth 'by default'. And you can't go to war with the church lol.

And hey, the fun is to have adversity!

And as for Montisle, I meant that Corvinus is kinda similar to many characters with mercantile interests in mind, so I meant to replace him/that he never existed.
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are we talking about undead people?

~glances in Samael's direction furtively~ ...no?

Definitely no necromancy going on in Laurensia, even though it would probably be really profitable if you could figure out what material goods undead spirits might want to buy. And figure out a way to get paid by them.

And you can't go to war with the church lol.

*cough* Henry the VIII *cough*

...so I meant to replace him/that he never existed.

All record of him and his entire family line erased from history? Man, the Church are really mean to people they don't like.
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ALSO, edited the char a bit, gave him some counter magic with a fancy, very fancy new weakness. Also: Holy order.

Should I replace Montisle with that?


Go for it, if you'd like. Sir Samael (should a paladin be addressed as sir? I've always thought so.) should make an interesting addition to the Council.
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@Genni I mean, sure he doesn't have resources, but even with all their resources, what can said nobles do against him? Samael has priestly authority so when he talks, he speaks the truth 'by default'. And you can't go to war with the church lol.

And hey, the fun is to have adversity!

And as for Montisle, I meant that Corvinus is kinda similar to many characters with mercantile interests in mind, so I meant to replace him/that he never existed.


Adversity for sure, Rycherd and House Alistair probably won't be looking too favorably on a holy order of knights and paladins. Probably will think of them as rivals and upstarts.
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I was thinking some needlessly pompous stuff like 'His beatitude Samael' or 'The Virtuous Samael' just to really get on people's nerve.
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Luxta definitely won't take to this heretic foul. Pridania falls under a different religion and set of beliefs... so it's quite likely your paladin might fall undet Luxta's ire.
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Oh yeah, the queen was educated in a place with a foreign religion uh? That will go swimmingly.
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