[OOC] Plague of the North

[Partisan]

I've added the slavemongerer to the char bin, incase you wanted to add a funny line to his name.

[Denalz]

Nice~ and yeah religion such as the church of light is usually based on some kind of scripture that may or may not be entirely fictional and just created for the benefit of the church itself rather than it's followers :3 All that's missing is for it to have a witch hunt and we are free to point the reallife equivelent

@rivaan

Earlier back there was a brief discussion between the three of you guys about being careful not to offend anyone with even the very mention of rape. I respect this kind of sensitivity but I think it's worth noting that comments such as the one above could be equally offensive to ones who identify with the so called "real life equivalent".

[rivaan]

Well I will apologize to anyone with a problem with my comment there. But everyone must admit that the church wasn't exactly on its good behavior during the dark ages.

[Denalz]

Well I will apologize to anyone with a problem with my comment there. But everyone must admit that the church wasn't exactly on its good behavior during the dark ages.

@rivaan

So you apologize, but you are not wrong.... is that what I should take from this comment?

[rivaan]

Pretty much.~ I apologize to anyone who finds it offensive, but I'm not going back on those words. =) I never ment to offend anyone, but historical facts are facts and truth is written down. Though I will make it clear just in case. I was meaning the church during the dark ages with it's witchhunts period.
With this I've said the last thing I will on this subject.

[Partisan]

Religion is something I prefer not to argue/discuss about - it's finicky and unstable because deeds of one in the name of religion do not always coincide with the wants and wishes of the rest. As such you should condone the witchhunts themselves and see religion as a mere.. tool, to achieve these hunts. It doesn't mean religion is evil.

It means people are.

[rivaan]

Yay... a person who understands.

[Partisan]

Just one 19 year olds' opinion so what do I really know. Discussions about religion are always shit and usually end up offending one or the other for some pitiful reason because their feelings get hurt. So let's drop it. ^^

[rivaan]

Say guys, wana see some of my drawings?

[Partisan]

Sure, shoot.

[rivaan]

http://rivaan.deviantart.com/art/Doodling-1-525628123

[Partisan]

Oh, nice. I like seeing the progress from your gallery start to end.

[rivaan]

Thanks. I'm trying, despite the fact I usually barely have any time to draw. Cause let's be frank, drawing after midnight isn't exactly the most productive time of the day.

[Denalz]

Religion is something I prefer not to argue/discuss about - it's finicky and unstable because deeds of one in the name of religion do not always coincide with the wants and wishes of the rest. As such you should condone the witchhunts themselves and see religion as a mere.. tool, to achieve these hunts. It doesn't mean religion is evil.

It means people are.

@Partisan

This comment explains why I find Rivaan's original post offensive. Acts committed by a few in the name of religion should not be a reflection of the religion itself. If someone wants to judge a religion, I suggest picking up the texts associated with that religion and performing an incredibly detailed and thorough study.

If someone holds that the acts of an individual can be used to judge a faith, then how about we spend some time talking about all the (far more common) good the Church did during the Dark Ages, feeding the poor, healing the sick, funding public infrastructure (schools, hospitals, ect), providing sanctuary, and last but not least, containing and caring for those infected by plague when others were too terrified to go near them.

But I suppose all of those things are less sensationalized and therefore too boring to mention. Should we instead simply say "The church wasn't on its best behavior... these sound like the kinds of people I kill in video games"?

[Partisan]

Hey

lets drop it

ty

[rivaan]

@Partisan you are a fine person. Probably a lot more so than myself. So here for you a drawing I wont be finishing soon.
http://i19.servimg.com/u/f19/14/52/50/27/pageso10.jpg

[Partisan]

Got a fat booty and a delicious body.

im fucking fine, you got that right

[rivaan]

*raises eyebrow* Well that escalated quickly... lol.

So what games do you people usualy play? Rpgs, shooters, strategies...?

[Partisan]

y'all wish you could have a manly man like me

Naw, I usually play RPG's and strategy games. But it differs every now and then- as long as there's a historical background story I like it.

[Fat Boy Kyle]

These are exactly the kind of religious tensions that I wanted to foster >:D

...in the IC... between characters of fictional religions.

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Earlier back there was a brief discussion between the three of you guys about being careful not to offend anyone with even the very mention of rape. I respect this kind of sensitivity but I think it's worth noting that comments such as the one above could be equally offensive to ones who identify with the so called "real life equivalent".

@Denalz

Completely true, and I'm sorry that I myself did not point out when I replied to the comment, that the Church of Light (COL) has no 'real life equivalent'. True, I did say this earlier:

I'll be adding more information shortly, and you're welcome to fill in any blanks I leave. I took inspiration from the rise of Catholicism and the decline of paganism and pantheons. There are many similarities between the Church of Light and early Catholicism, but its certainly in no way a carbon copy and I certainly don't want to offend anyone xP

@Fat Boy Kyle

But I need to make it clear that they are not the same. They have similarities yes, but The COL has similarities with several religions both real and fictional. Monotheism is certainly not an uncommon trait in religions, and neither are scriptures. The inspiration I took was about the shifting balance of beliefs, not the actual beliefs themselves.

In regards to Rivaan's comments about killing people in video games, I do think that it is unfair to say he aimed this at any real life religion. Besides, I can't think of any video games that sound like this.

Still, Denalz is completely right to say that even early Catholicism did a lot of good, and that it was only the bad that was really sensationalised. The unfortunate truth is that this sort of sensationalisation still occurs today, with western media notably portraying all Muslims as terrorists. But the reality is that the vast majority of people belonging to religions, and indeed the vast majority of those that don't, are decent kind loving people and you should not paint everyone with the same brush just because the actions of a few. The sad truth is that yes, there have been and continue to be horrible acts performed in the name of religion, but as Partisan said, that means that those people are evil not their religion. I think everyone in this RP understands that.

That is exactly the case with the fictional religions in this RP too. The wiki post and notable events section can certainly portrays a bad image, but as our missionary and baptist characters prove, the religions foster much more good than bad; its just that not all people see it that way.

I want this to be the end of the argument, at least were the OOC is concerned. No more references or discussion about real life religions, because they have nothing to do with the RP. If anyone has any further problems then they should PM me, and we will leave the OOC free of bitterness. This is normally the part where I say "Kiss and make up", but I don't think that is necessary. We're all friends here and we all want to get back to talking about lighter topics like... rape? *Sigh*