[OOC] [RP Closed] Warlords of China

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Murtox I don't think the Boxers ever rose up. Ci Xi was killed and the Republic was founded soon after. It might become a plot point later on but right now it never happened

[Sven the Silent]

@Murtox I don't think the Boxers ever rose up. Ci Xi was killed and the Republic was founded soon after. It might become a plot point later on but right now it never happened

@ClocktowerEchos

The boxer rebellion was between 1899 and 1901 though, and the timeline doesn't quite stop its existence. I'd say atleast, I included it in my biography. Only the mention though, because I was rambeling on. :P Might expand on it though.

[Lennon79]

The Boxer Rebellion did happen in this timeline and was just another nail in the Qing's coffin. Remember that Cixi died in 1905, four years after the rebellion ended.

[Rare]

Can i ask a question , this is alt history so i can remove the Boxer rebellion or something like that?

@Murtox

The past is the past, nothing has changed.

The players can change the present and the future of China and even the world.

[Lennon79]

I'm going to have to ask you to fix the grammar in your CS, Murtox. I'm no grammar nazi, but there is a standard to maintain. Cheers.

[Lennon79]

Once Rare and Murtox' CSs are done and accepted, I'll open the IC. 7 is a good number. The other provinces will be left vague for the moment, though you are welcome to make neighbours for yourselves so long as you run the details passed me first.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Just to add some regional flare to some of the armies so we aren't always pitting grey-shirt rifleman against slighly less grey-shirted rifleman, I made a list of "unique units". These units are meant to only be used by some people/locations based on stuff like culture, ideology, religion. Feel free to use/edit these units as needed if you want to have them in your armies. I'll probably update this again some later time for formatting/adding more units.

Unique Units

Islamic Zealots (Muslims only) – Swordsmen ready to die in the name of Ahalla. Combat wise they aren’t as good as real swordsmen but they are willing to fight to the death.

Abus Guns (Muslims only) – Imported from the Ottoman Empire, Abus guns are very light artillery units sorta like a one man howitzer. While they lack the ability to do any real damage to buildings, by are effective anti-infantry and anti-artillery weapons.

Kesheks (Steppes only) – Elite mounted archers born in the saddle. Able to fire on the move, they as the best horse archers available, weak only to spear walls.

Steppe Riders (Steppes only) – Elite light shock cavalry, steppe riders use shields in prolonged combat and at best used to outmaneuver and flank enemy units. They are squishy in combat against cavalry though.

Steppe Lancers (Steppes) – Heavy cavalry that all units should look out for. Their long, deadly lances can pierce through any type of armor and can easily scare undisciplined troops.

Steppe Dragoons (Steppes) – Mounted hunters given shortened rifles and carbines to emulate European Dragoons. These men can fire while on the move but are more accurate while staying still

Jumping Tiger Lancers (Conservative Only) – Warriors with long lances that will leap before they charge into an enemy, effective attacking them from the top. They are incredibly fast and are trained to hide effectively in tall grass and cover

Imperial Qing Pikemen (Conservative Only)– Heavy spearmen that can even withstand bullets, these men are loyal to the old regime and its followers. Their presence can inspire friendly units who share the same ideology.

Iron Fail (Conservative)– Heavy shock cavalry that can hit multiple targets at a time with his long fail. Whatever they do not kill, they send flying back from the sheer blunt impact of the hit.

Hand Mortar (Conservative) – Fast moving, but powerful and accurate mortars, these siege weapons were the love and joy of Imperial Engineers. They are carried by two men and a small squad can rain down accurate, deadly explosive storms.

Christian Zealots (Christians Only) – Religious levies motivated by the will of God to fight. They fire breech-loading muskets en masse and will fight until they reach the gates of Heaven.

Chinese Knights (Christians Only) – Inspired by the tales of European knights, these brave Chinese Christians don the heaviest armor available and charge will great zeal, able to decimate entire units in one charge.

[Lennon79]

Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese did use guns by this point XD Classic Banner Armies and such are great for early game, but remember that even China was phasing them out in favour of modern military doctrine at this point. Don't worry, your list is still useful for defining our early armies Clock, but things will modernise pretty quickly.

[ClocktowerEchos]

Contrary to popular belief, the Chinese did use guns by this point XD Classic Banner Armies and such are great for early game, but remember that even China was phasing them out in favour of modern military doctrine at this point. Don't worry, your list is still useful for defining our early armies Clock, but things will modernise pretty quickly.

@Lennon79

I know, its mostly for early units and inspiration for later units. I do expect that most of the fighting later on will be gun to gun or gun to cavalry. The list was more or less me shitposting some floating ideas XD

I think I will be make a list of more modern units (or at least try) at some other point.

Also, I added British troops to my army roster but in theory they're only actually part of it if a British outpost gets attacked or Hong Kong comes under siege. Can I keep them or should I pull them out and have it be a rule that people can't attack Europena-owned cities?

[Lennon79]

Well... if anyone wants to pick fight with the largest empire in the world, I ain't gonna stop 'em.
But they will lose.
Hard.
Just make sure that it specifically states that they're not part of your army and instead regional British forces and we're ok.

[Sven the Silent]

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I know, its mostly for early units and inspiration for later units. I do expect that most of the fighting later on will be gun to gun or gun to cavalry. The list was more or less me shitposting some floating ideas XD

I think I will be make a list of more modern units (or at least try) at some other point.

Also, I added British troops to my army roster but in theory they're only actually part of it if a British outpost gets attacked or Hong Kong comes under siege. Can I keep them or should I pull them out and have it be a rule that people can't attack Europena-owned cities?

@ClocktowerEchos

I think people should be able to attack the European colonies if they wanted too, but if we look at our history of that succeeding anyone attempting it will get decimated. So say random province number 5 attacks the Europeans, they will retaliate and China will look bad globally, i'd imagine that random province number 5 would be eliminated by other clinques as well shortly after that. We all know that great powers had lots of influence.

[Sven the Silent]

@Lennon79 As for your mention of us being able to control the provinces around us. I had figured you would throw in some ''random'' events to make life difficult.

And my province for example, has large ambitions but its location (All though on the ancient Silk Road) wouldn't be very rich, and would thus have a difficult time to push through industrial reforms. Now i'm not a meta-gamer, but others could use their neighbours to their advantage. (You should take the map with the provinces now, and add a bunch of NPC warlords, just use halfs or parts of provinces to form areas i'd say.) Maybe you can decide our relations with neighbours?

[ClocktowerEchos]

Also, something else I've been wondering about, what time is it exactly? 1910? Since if so, some of the weapons that are being used a bit anachronistic.

[Lennon79]

I will NPC a lot of the other warlords, but our characters represent the most powerful and influential ones. Most of the lesser warlords command towns or small cities with a battalion or so's worth of troops; they aren't much threat to others yet. But they aren't dumb either; if a powerful warlord starts throwing his weight around and trying to conquer his weaker neighbours, he may find that he had driven them to band together into a new clique. Said clique may equal or even surpass the warlord in strength, making such blatant power plays risky at best.
I'm hesitant to populate the map itself with new warlords for a few reasons, mainly to keep recruitment a possibility and to limit the sheer number of states I need to NPC, so a lot of the minor states will go unnamed unless they become significant. China is a vast country and communication is slow; a lot of what goes on away from the big cities simply isn't seen by a lot of people. For all intents and purposes, a lot of it is no-man's land. For the moment.

1910, so yeah a few bits don't 100% add up, but I'd rather compromise than go full historic accuracy.

[Sven the Silent]

Also, something else I've been wondering about, what time is it exactly? 1910? Since if so, some of the weapons that are being used a bit anachronistic.

@ClocktowerEchos

We are in 1910 yes. That's why I mentioned that it wasn't very historically correct for someone to be using weapons that were designed in 1906 or 1908 and didn't enter mass production untill later. (That's why I also adviced single shot rifles, just mainly old 1860/1880 models that all nations would be looking to get rid off.) But yes, 1910. :)

[Sven the Silent]

@ClocktowerEchos Actually, we're probably in 1911. I'd say i'm 99% sure we're in 1911 at this point.

[ClocktowerEchos]

hmm...

I might redo the army and make it mostly modern since that is what basically everyone is doing

[Sven the Silent]

hmm...

I might redo the army and make it mostly modern since that is what basically everyone is doing

@ClocktowerEchos

I'd prefer a more outdated army as well, it's much more realistic. But i'm not the GM so I can't force restrictions on people.

[ClocktowerEchos]

To be perfectly honest, the fact everyone has phased out any and all traces traditional units irritates me for some reason >.>

[Sven the Silent]

To be perfectly honest, the fact everyone has phased out any and all traces traditional units irritates me for some reason >.>

@ClocktowerEchos

People tend to prefer their own ideas I think, I know I do.

@Lennon79 Idea, how about with all the weapons we've listed for our army we are required to post a percentage number as well? So you know how many modern, old and medieval weapons are present. Maybe we can even go as far as giving a percentage for the armies or divisions we control so you can clevery look at wheter someone accidently send and entire army that has nothing but bows and swords agaist a force with rifles.