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So Boerd said
Because He doesn't. He can't change your soul. He can speak with you, explain to you, but cannot make you learn or more importantly understand anything, as making you understand takes away your free will. Jesus had to physically suffer every pain so he could understand it.

As I understand the Crucifiction, Jesus already understood, but to experience it and to become one with his decision, as it were, he had to go through with it. He understood it, but. . . he could not make the lawful change of others without his death and resurrection.

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Brovo said
What's wrong with asking why? I am a skeptic. This is a legitimate question. Wouldn't you ask why? Wouldn't you ask what the purpose of a test that has no meaning is?

The Gospel is like sowing seeds in a field. Although supernaturally a seed can grow instantly (conversion), it more often than not takes time to grow. If you just constantly ask "why"? It's not the same thing as me failing to address an issue. Also, it gets tiring taking too long to do more than my job by answering different questions with no end to the conversation.

To give a more concise answer, it's not wrong to ask why, or even ask, necessarily, too many questions, as long as you aren't just pretending as if I've been caught in some kind of a trap by getting tired.

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Brovo said
No. I'm taking the bible literally. And you apparently can't come up with a counter argument for why your loving, omnipotent, omniscient god, would unleash the most horrifying of evils on the very things he loves when he has the power to empower them with whatever he wants them to learn immediately and without pain, making the pain itself absolutely pointless. Which is good.

There's a difference between not being able to reasonably defend your argument and failing not to be confused by someone who constantly asks "Why"?

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A god who knows everything and has unlimited power created the universe and everything in it. There he creates a paradise for some fuck off race of creatures he made in his image, complete with having the sewage system networked into the entertainment and procreation system. Then he creates an impossible to pass test, and creates a seducing monster in the guise of a beautiful angel, then is shocked when it betrays him despite already knowing it would. Snake thing then talks to dirt man and rib woman and after failing the impossible test they are damned forever, all their children are damned forever, and so on.

You're taking me way too literally.

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Wut. How can he not have logical scientific knowledge, he created the universe, and everything in it. He created everything science finds. He created human capacity for science. How does this even make sense as a statement. This is like saying a computer can't do math but created calculators.

Ummm. . . I said "He doesn't JUST", "Just" is a word used to mean "He doesn't ONLY" you know. "God doesn't only know all scientific and logical knowledge. He knows all things. The ways of wisdom, everything".

Or he could just give the little boy the ability to walk and the knowledge about how lucky he is that he can walk. You know. Like a moral person would. Not a complete monster that gets off to seeing human suffering because... Reasons?...

Metaphor sir. Metaphor. I mean, you could live in a perfect, dull, uninteresting world, with everything being daisies, flowers, sun light, unicorns and fluffy pegasi with smiley faces everywhere. And let it be that way forever and ever. You monster.

Or, you could have this toilet of a planet, with it's good and bad moments, die, be taken to Jesus, live forever in eternal bliss that makes even the best marriages in this world look like a hand shake in comparison.

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Brovo said
God created Satan, and his nature, and being omniscient knew exactly what Satan was going to do, when he was going to do it, and yet, he did nothing.Because God is not a good person. At least, not in a narrative sense.

God did this precisely because he is omniscient. He doesn't just have logical scientific knowledge, he knows the secrets to life's mysteries. . . everything. He knows the future, the beginning, and the middle. . . he knows everything, the end from the beginning. He knows anything from a quadrillion years in the future. He is doing things the best way because they are the best ways.

For example, let's say there's a little boy. He was born with damaged feet, and the Doctor's tell the father he will never walk. The father however, has found a way to surgically make him walk. Say that this is in a day before anesthesia? That's going to be one hell of a surgery for the poor little tyke. In the mean time however, there will be pain and anguish.

Then, the little boy can walk.

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Except that God created all the problems that exist in the universe. Every single one. He created rape, he created murder, he created sin, and the compulsions to commit those acts. He created all of these things, every, single, last, one, by posing an impossible test: Creating two creatures without knowledge, one before the other, giving them eternity in paradise, and then telling them to not eat from a tree, which he made easily within their reach, with very appealing looking fruit by all accounts, right in the middle of the fucking garden they lived in. Then, as if that wasn't enough to create a test which would invariable fail (totally ignorant creature + curiosity = eventual failure to obey authority figure, given eternity, that makes it assured of success), he created Satan, the talking snake, who easily fooled the completely ignorant, completely naive, completely defenseless creatures.

Look. If you make a banana cream pie, a french silk chocolate pie, key lime or whatever. It's good. That's what God did. Satan came along and pooped in the pie.

Is it God's fault now?

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ImANargleHunter said
You are a fool.

"All sons of old textiles DIE!"

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Shy said
I prefer silk.

You fool! I'm ACTUALLY, a Polyestheist!