ArenaSnow

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Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

Reading catch's post was what tuned me into this, but I did in fact use the new guild join feature that was in the general chat. It made things rather easy. I saw the message, clicked into the thread and had a welcome put up split seconds after the user posted. It's entirely our issue to welcome people, and I try to throw at least some sort of welcome to people who haven't had a response when I feel like hopping over there, which is fairly frequently.

In other words, when it comes to welcoming, we're just a lazy old bunch of bastards it seems.

Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

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Two of the current moderator team have nominated themselves to Hank. Despite you saying it didn't happen - it did. I should just correct you on that - please not that I'm not disagreeing with everything you said, but just saying that the way things work here isn't according to a standard set of rules, it's down to whatever the moderators feel like. This structure has worked for 10 years now, it seems, but we can all agree that post-guildfall things have changed.

@Odin

In that case, fine. Now I'd like to see where they plopped themselves in that way out in a public space instead of taking it to a message to Mahz/Hank, where I would assume that process belongs.

Perhaps you weren't involved in the first thread that was made where we saw a wider reach in terms of users coming in and putting in their two cents (which is where the first list of suggestions came from). Although I vaguely seem to recall you participating, I'm not sure and I'm not in the mood to go hunting for it.

@Odin

There was less than a dozen people outside of the usual active group that made a post, and not all were critical of the systems of moderators. The thread also tended to deviate from its purpose, but I digress. I wouldn't call it a basis for representation of the forum sections and average unaffiliated user. For that particular point, it was the wording that got me. The rest of the points could be chunked down to opinion. That one was presented in a way that implied "the community" had come to some sort of agreement. I never saw that agreement.

ArenaSnow, I think you're a nice guy, and we've had some nice posting back and forth in other threads. But now it just seems like you're attacking the credibility of this process as a whole based on factors I can't really do much about. No, not everyone on the guild participates, and yes, perhaps that means it's not representative at all. I hope you can also see that I'm trying to achieve something close to that regardless of the limited means I have as a standard user with no access to the discord.

@Odin

I suppose while we're on that, yes, this thread has a small chance of reaching the appropriate amount of people and the right groups of people that make up the core of the site, likely due to its unofficial nature (not much that can be done with that, at least that I expect the staff team will do) and the fact that I get the feeling many people just don't care enough to look and/or comment. A discussion is all well and good - my bones are on specific points, such as the one where it was implied the community at large, beyond a specific group of individuals, had come to an actual decision on the matter.

Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

That said it makes no sense to have section specific moderators. It's either everything or bust. Having section specific moderators just means we need people that can only look at certain areas and have no influence elsewhere, so if something goes wrong and they're there, they can't even do anything. You should be a moderator for all sections and maybe just pay attention to the areas that need it.

@Odin

Any form of moderator rank makes you a representative of the guild's staff team, and that is the angle that I approached the self nomination with. Moderators on this site simply do not nominate themselves if they want to be truly considered. And yes, I don't see the point in offering the rank piecemeal - it's far more effective, based on what I've seen on this site and others, to have teams with full capabilities (and perhaps specific things that they do on the side) that manage the site and its offshoots as a whole as compared to plopping moderators in each section to make a chaotic structure.

Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

@ArenaSnow I think it's appropriate to have chat moderators that are familiar with the chat community and have been there for quite some time. There is nothing wrong with thinking you are good at something or fit for a position and stating that. (: There's nothing pretentious about being confident in your ability. IRL, at work or academics, people 'nominate' themselves for positions all the time. It's important to know anyway who is actually willing to do the job. I suppose I don't really understand where your intense opposition is coming from, other than the fact that he's j8cob and you may not like him.

@Chai

I'd disagree that nominating yourself in such a context is really the best thing to do. It's less intense opposition so much as a disagreement with the way he went about it and a pushback at the nature of his response, but you're welcome to believe in my century old feud with my arch-nemesis J8cob as much as you'd like >.>

Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

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I was paying attention, thank you. I have no need for your condescension when it wasn't exactly clarified in the first place. With that said, I do apologize for the confusion. I know that it is no excuse whatsoever, but I just learned that I am apparently wrestling with a fever (thanks college), so perhaps my attention isn't on point at the moment. My point still stands (maybe not directly towards you), however, that there are some parties that are quick to toss our arguments aside simply due to our affiliations and whatnot. It's tiresome when you want to improve something that you care about, but people try to silence you over and over again with comments like "you're the vocal minority", "you're a bunch of trolls", and whatever else.

@Cyndyr

So... what does that have to do with me, and why should I care?

If that happens, call it out when it happens. As far as I see, that hasn't happened in this thread, so at this point, it just looks like you're ranting. It doesn't really help anything.

The whole circle that these threads tend to take is rather tedious, as it tends not to result in anything.

Looking Back - 5 months have passed, what now?

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Hilarious how Odin and I can make thread after thread with civility, politeness, and solid arguments with evidence, yet we're somehow painted as the harbingers of doom while others sink as far as to say that we're "terrorists" or that we "participate in a cesspool". Give me a break.

@Cyndyr

If you were paying attention to the conversation, you would note that the cesspool was the politics channel, and nothing to do with your kneejerk reaction to call "help! He's calling me terrorist!"

Try again.