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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

I think you're overestimating the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla warfare isn't this magical thing that when applied is guaranteed to work. If it were, it'd be a conventional strategy. Guerrilla warfare is a thing borne of desperation, or helplessness. When people have no other way to fight and need to resort to hit-and-run tactics to combat overwhelming opposition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It is not an especially effective strategy that works every time, or even most times. If it were such a strategy, no-one would fight any other way. It's also a strategy that is reliant on things like landscape to succeed. Look at where guerrilla fighter groups are most successful: Colombia, Africa, Vietnam, Iraq. All of these are places where the environment is in favor of guerrilla fighters because it allows them to hide well, and where the lack of infrastructure works against professional armies. But regardless of any of that, the point is we can't have any more rebellions in the US. It's had enough. They are a hindrance. We need to let the US become important, especially now that we have a player that is doing such a great job at bring it back to life.

@Pepperm1nts

Not to mention the traditional lands are mostly all inhabited by the white man now, or border white settlements. If push comes to shove you'll see the Militias come in or even the American Legion who might bolster up the local communities and identify or encourage people to identify radicals. And even if not you'll know who the enemy is. Guerilla warfare works in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan because the occupying force couldn't tell the difference between a civilian and a enemy. In this context they would be able to spot them out. The only places they end up is being corralled in the deep country where there is no one living and living as outlaws until they become so endemically demoralized from accomplishing nothing the fighters go home. If they try anywhere else there's enough phones, radios, and guns to alert folks. It won't work, Revan. It won't ever get off the ground. Not from a demographic principle. Not from a strategic principle.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

The thing is thought: the natives don't even have the numerical superiority for that, and the numbers of natives militant enough wouldn't make them any more than bandits. Assimilation would be a factor and many would have accepted the rule of Washington or Ontario. A radical fringe wouldn't possess the fire power or ability to properly do it. As with the incident of Wounded Knee in 1978 the conflict would ultimately come down to the Marshals service after some quick legislation is passed permitting them to utilize the resources necessary to clamp down on the radicals. But the last great ditch era of Native Uprising ended a century ago. The memories of Geronimo and the last great defenders of the old way are done. The White Man won, and they know exactly where they all are. Beyond that, this is the perpetuation of the joke that the US needs to be torn apart. This joke died long ago. And it won't be permitted again. A radical movement such as that would only really dawn in instances of severe civil rights abuses or the fervor of large-scale civil rights movement inspiring hard-line radicals to rise up. But they wouldn't be large enough still to be effective at anything.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Still not nearly enough natives.

Um, I think there would definitely be enough. Census data from 1980/81 suggests that there were about 1 million aboriginal Canadians and 6.5 million of the largest Mexican indigenous tribes alone. Taking just those numbers and adding them to the roughly 4 million native Americans in the US (that's accounting both single and multi-racial individuals), that's nearly 12 million people. A sixth of that could fight a war.

And the US and Canada detests each other. And Mexico is aligned to the Third International and ideologically split from the US and Canada. So a union in North America isn't possible, let alone a union of the native tribes.

Understandable, what with the past two wars between Canada and the US. However, those are the governments of each country that hate each other. There are likely large masses of civilians that feel the same way, too, but I doubt the natives of each country do. Why? Because both have suffered in similar ways under their respective governments. They share a common enemy in the oppressive white man, and both share their heritage as the original people of the Americas. The same applies between both of them and the indigenous Mexican tribes. Remember, it isn't the white/Hispanic populace we're talking about here; it's the natives that have been oppressed. While the warring white man may not be so friendly towards the others around him, the natives would be. EDIT: Accidentally put 2 million for aborigines instead of 1 million.

@Space Communist

Firstly, Native Americans in Canada are still way on the minority in terms of Canadian demographics. They couldn't possibly muster the numbers required to fight the "ebil Europeans" occupying their land. Like-wise, Canada experienced a wave of immigration from England during its period of Civil War which facilitated the current status of the nation. So they're still way too much on the minority to be of any issue. As well in Mexico, the indigenous customs of the pre-Colombian natives are much more infused with the Mexican identity than that of the US or Mexico which overtook native customs and culture and replaced it with their own anglo-European customs. Many Mexicans are already natives already and are not particularly concerned with native uprisings. Reason being: why rebel against yourself? Mexican aboriginal culture assimilated itself with European ideology pretty readily. If we're going to consider Religion as being the qualifier for whether or not a Mexican is truly aboriginal or not than they'd be just as much in the minority. Catholicism and the minorities of other Christian thought (Protestants, Mormons) still lead over pre-Columbian faith. When Spain colonized Mexico they didn't white-wash it by killing all the brown people and moving all the white people in as England and France did. They kept the natives. The only white appointments were the viceroys. But in the century or more since Mexico declared independence from Spain they've most likely balanced out its own government. Post-independence Mexico managed to successfully create a pretty concept of common identity as "Mexican" between "Whites" (an honest minority) and everyone else. So no, they got no reason to rebel for native identity when for the last two hundred years they've managed to blur, smoothen, or remove much of it.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Hm...what about a pan-American movement in the US, Canada, and Mexico, instead of the US alone? That would increase the number of natives fighting for independence tenfold. Not only that, but it would provide some relief on the US for a while as the fighting becomes concentrated in Canada and Mexico (though the war would inevitably reach Cascadian territory and the Western US). As for the Balkans, my mistake. I didn't know Serbia had taken control of those countries. Still, a union of some sort does not seem out of the question. Also, wasn't Croatia annexed by Austria?

@Space Communist

Still not nearly enough natives. And the US and Canada detests each other. And Mexico is aligned to the Third International and ideologically split from the US and Canada. So a union in North America isn't possible, let alone a union of the native tribes.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Precipice also isn't the sort of RP where I will accept multiple nations joining together off the bat. Again, there are special circumstances, but if they weren't otherwise joined at some point in the past iterations of the RP then I'm not allowing it. We don't need any more Polkraines. And merger over the course of the RP will also be subject to a lot of scrutiny. It doesn't help too that I think Romania may already be played, but I'll need to double check. But right off the bat Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania don't even share a common heritage. So there's no reason they'd agree to straight up political merger.