Dinh AaronMk

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A Weapon to surpass Metalgear.

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Caesar please crucify Dinh AaronMk so that we may receive compensation for this cancerous NCR laden post.

@Gandalf

Agave, true to Tequila.

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Restored.

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I figured Vilage would articulate it better. But going to the previous point of Hugs: even ancient China didn't have the metallurgy practice to fire off rockets like the V2 by the 16th century, and that sort of engineering wouldn't really come about for a while. And until that point they didn't really *need* it since they were one of the most sizable Empires in Asia and the most influential. And that also around that time the Ming were falling apart at the "heathen barbarians" of the Manchus were pulling them apart from the north; the Mandate of Heaven had demanded such. And by the time it would have mattered for them, it was too late and the Qing dynasty was confident in being ass backwards while western-educated progressives were running around Southern China. They had the concepts to do it, but the later Emperors and Cixi were pretty intent in their ways. Maybe Puyi would have fixed it, maybe. But he came far too late for the Empire's days. Could I have handled things differently in retrospect? Most likely. However Precipice is too far along and it's been agreed and sealed. I can explore things more since there's a lot of ground to cover and a whole era of the 60's to ponder over. But that's retrospective at this point.

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You shut up. You shut the fuck up right now. You don't get bring that shit into here. I'd rather slice both of my Achilles tendons than see another stupid post about that fucking dress. This is both a personal insult, and a grave injustice against myself, and every single person who ever died ever. I'm disgusted with you, I want you to apologise to every single person on RPGuild, including Mahz. I want you to send a Private Message to every user on this godforsaken website and then when you're finally finished I want you to call every person on any telephone device in your house - mobile or otherwise - and sincerely apologise. You need to tell them you're calling them because you had the fucking nerve to post that vile, putrid shit onto this thread. I hope you're happy, I really do. I hope you grow old, get married and have a family, and on your deathbed I hope you tell every member of your family that the only thing you regret is that you thought you were clever referencing that goddamn piece of toilet paper you call a dress on this here family-friendly website.

@Larfleeze

u wot m8

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That's not the damn point though. The point is that somehow the Chinese have the technological know-how to go to space, but Europeans don't have the know-how to make goddamn jets, all because a few scientists died and they had to fight a war for a few extra years. But backward-ass China's just fine. You're talking resources when I'm talking know-how.

@Pepperm1nts

China and Asia has had a long history of rocketry. The Chinese were the first to develop rockets which were later introduced to Europe by the Mongols, who used them to shoot shit with; likewise in China. The concept bumped around Europe and the Middle east because of them, but they knew about rockets through China, and the Chinese have been using rockets in some way for a thousand years by this RP's point. There were additional uses of more advanced rockets in Asia/South-Asia. Mysore in India was the first to use iron-cast rockets against the invading British forces. So the Indian subcontinent as well had a grasp and understanding of rocketry. So much so it took the British by surprise when iron-cylinder explosives smashed them from the hurka-dirka, chicken-tika eaters. Another factor that would come into it is a diaspora of Russian intellectuals who fled to western China to get out of the reach of the Tzar. The Russians made some significant theoretical contributions to rocket technology in the early 20th century. Some - or many - of these university intellectuals may have no doubt been critical of the Czar and desired Republican reform, or Communist reform. Then had to get the hell out before they were exiled to Siberia or locked up or shot. Western China has been the sort of under-policed area of China for a while and would make for a target of interest, and what I use to explain the migration of Communism from Russia to China.

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EDIT: It's especially hard to understand the argument when you realize that China has fuckin' satellites, but because a few scientists died in Europe and they had to fight a war for a few extra years, Europeans are stuck in 1950 for life.

@Pepperm1nts

Because Europe doesn't really have much of a mineral based economy and they can't one stop shop. Besides, even today the only way Europe has been to space is to collectively put all their resources into the same pot, unlike the US (which I believe had low or outdated military spending in this RP until the first North American War) or China which in covering a lot of geographic territory contain a lot of natural resources. Satellite technology is in any event a side-effect of certain aims, if related. They didn't wake up and ask themselves, "Can we get to the moon?" Someone asked someone to look into getting their shit to fly higher. Prior to the Revolution they - like in real life - didn't have a developed industry and began to slowly evolve and build that afterwards. Perceived hostility to Communism as a lesson from the Bolshevik's defeat, exile, and imprisonment/executions in Russia contributed to a feeling they'd need to shut up and contain themselves and become self sufficient and then gird themselves against their enemies. And they have very extensive deposits on minerals across the nation. On the other hand, Europe was import reliant and much of its economy had evolved past producing iron. If we looked at the long-ass war in a realist's light then we might come to the conclusion that it would have sucked everything bone dry. So collectively they wouldn't have the minerals to put towards advanced programs and nothing happened after the fact to create a common political and economic pact over Europe that would allow them to work across national borders as Europe does now to get into space. And no threat from the Soviets meant the US - while dealing with a considerable sum of internal issues - didn't feel compelled to try and keep its place as a top competitor (as well as them not intervening in Europe and spreading their consumer base to the Europeans to get the economic edge they'd need). By about this time too South America would have most likely been a largely second-tier economy, an exporter of raw materials. There would've probably been minimal refining going on there. Agriculture would of been a large part of their work. Plus their general operations relied on foreign credit which would have become washed out later. So they wouldn't have the means or the focus. And with Africa slipping away from Europe and having gone all the way out by the seventies due in part to Ethiopia Europe would of lost its significant source of minerals. So the physical limitations are there. Things could have been proposed and theorized on paper but certainly couldn't get far past the design stage or manufacture. So refocusing of a nation's efforts to develop would have been done. Helicopters and the like. But the lack of computers, advanced rocketry, and nuclear theory has been from the start a closed door from the beginning for nations. In rocketry that didn't really get pursued into very late in Precipice's infancy years.

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At the same time we got a war that lasted far longer than it had any right too. So it's not the only sin on our list for psuedo-retro sci-fi somethings. We decided that things would need to be adjusted to account for multiple nullified factors created in this world. And it was done. Which is not to say that you're wrong. China did complete research into transistors (ECGs) on their own. But in this world it really comes down to what the relevant parties had in mind or where they were going. Jet aircraft, rockets, or advancing computer sciences may not have seemed relevant to anyone before the 70's. And the wider global effects of war sweeping the international community we could tag it under the lampshade that is labeled "handicapping everything".

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Which reminds me, I need to check the status of the next game. Has it happened already?