Dinh AaronMk

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

And it's forty years on with Japan having snuffed out any honest attempts at nationalism and giving Indonesia an aboriginal government. They just replaced one master for another. So the sort of spirit for Japan as Vichy France for Nazi Germany isn't all that there when the promise was shown to be false when the Empire decided that there would be no further mention of "Indonesia" ever.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk> Considering they've been under Japanese domination for forty-odd years, an entire new generation would have grown up that knows nothing of the pre-Japanese days and frankly probably wouldn't care nearly so much. This new population, containing almost all of the soldier-age population, would be significantly more loyal to the Empire than the older generation that remembers. There's no guarantee they wouldn't have significant enough air assets and potentially aircraft carriers to both fend off any stuff you send off at them but also place pressure on your forces attempting to contain their landings. Naval forces bombarding your coast and air support combined could easily turn your defensive line into as much of a meat grinder as their landing area. A quasi-fascist state would have invested much more of its power into building these assets than an isolationist China.

@Mihndar

I'm sure that's what the Turks told themselves again and again during their occupation of Armenian territory. Or even Kurdish. Nationalism isn't that easily breed out over generations. Especially if you're two different peoples. Modern nationalism doesn't just leave the mindset of a people when a generation or two passes in or out of the social framework. If anything, it'd get passed down from one generation to another. Because that's their identity. And identity is important. Tribe is important. And Japan is all about their tribe and the Japanese. Not the Indonesians or the Koreans. It's all for the make benefit of them and the Japanese imperial institution would have been well built for that way of thinking. The Emperor is a God. And the Japanese are the people of that God. Everyone else is not. Besides, the dutch had been fighting Indonesian nationalism for a long time before Japan no doubt seized the islands. Though the Japanese may have used these nationalists to overthrow the Dutch and get themselves in it was never a serious commitment to favor the Indonesians. Any attempts at seizing this or acting out wouldn't be acted to kindly. And then all of a sudden there's a cycle of violence in the region much like Isreal-Palestine. Or modern Xinjiang with one side trying to get a head on the other, and the other being seriously offended and violent. They would not be loyal. Not until they all die. And then there goes the 150 million.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Well, they could take over Australia. That might provide them with significantly more resources and manpower to better be able to fight China if it comes down to it. And also keep in mind Indonesia's population alone in 1980 is 150 million. Throw in Japan and South Korea, you've doubled that and you still haven't gotten to Papua New Guinea and whatever else they might own in the Pacific. Japan's military power would be nothing to sneeze at, considering they both industrialized before China and they have the numbers to at least compete. So no, they probably couldn't defeat China but it would hardly be a smashing defeat.

@Mihndar

I doubt the Koreans or the Indonesians would be at all loyal to the Japanese, or only really love themselves. The native populations wouldn't really want to support them voluntarily and the ashkaris they could pull from the islands wouldn't be worth much. Not to mention Australia is basically a whole lot of nothing and full of people even more opposite to the Japanese culture than the Koreans being raped or the Indonesians. So attempting to take Australia would just mean a lot of prolonged police work as well as attracting the ire of Britain, since Australia wants to and is trying to, or already has joined the Commonwealth. So they got some political protection there. China as well would have it support from parties in the International. And since they'd act independently then they're not coming on Beijing's orders. Aggression on mainland Asia would also most likely attract universal ire from the Asian bloc who'd have enough power in the International Politburo to all declare war on Japan. They may not be able to contribute naval assets, but they could the land assets needed to turn a landing into a proper meat grinder while mainland Japan is burned from 30,000 meters.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Japan sounds like a really cool place to play, but it'd take a lot of research so you get all their beliefs and traditions right and don't end up writing the script to a Naruto episode.

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Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

It's a process that might take a few years. Though if I remember right, Japan would already have the international policy of a fascist state. I'd try to find the policy itself, but in short notice this is the closest I could find. But I do recall reading it involved an almost mythical belief Japan should own the four winds or something, and effectively own the world because the Shinto Gods had placed this mission onto the Emperor. Or something like this. So yea, it's probably a political powder keg.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Not to mention, Japan can have very interesting arcs about Tradition vs Modernity, similar to what I assume China is doing. Not to mention, Japan has what it wanted currently. A large empire from which it can extract resources to fuel its(once) rapidly growing industrial might. The East Indies were, and probably still are, the most valuable land in Asia except for India. Essentially, Japan has so much potential I'd stay if I were you.

@Wilted Rose

Well, Chinese Communism is a weird thing in retrospect. As opposed to Maoism who like to preach the Four Olds and shit, Houist China just hasn't really touched it. Hou hasn't ordered armies of energetic youths to burn down all the shrines and destroy everything that might threaten the Revolutionary Regime. In a manner, it re-incorporates it as a defense. A point in Chinese law here is to identify and "preserve" traditional elements as part of the multi-colored fabric of the Revolution. This of course has lead to a lot of contention between Christians and Muslims, of which I'm dealing with the major figurehead of the later in Chinese politics. As for Japan, I imagine an issue that might effect them is the demands of their non-Japanese citizens for autonomy or independence in the Empire. The Japanese as I've come to read have historically in some way be pretty racist towards non-Japanese citizens. So though their colonies exist for the make benefit of Japan, they're probably pretty rocky places to be. Of course, they're as-of-yet to be really explored in the same way I'm exploring Xinjiang.

Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

Or you can stay with Japan. What I wrote out earlier in reference to any imperialistic desires was a warning on such. China likes a nice stable Asia, and disruption to it will be acted on swiftly to settle it. Plus, Japanese crimes against China in the Revolution are still pretty fresh, it hasn't even lapsed a generation out yet and weakened. I recall earlier you also mentioned intentions to invade Siam, which is why I decided to emphasize the Chinese stance on imperialism.

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