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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane Let me ask, what is the purpose of this?

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Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane While I understand why they would want to distance themselves from a label that has become inconvenient and why they would want to define themselves as separate from the alt-right the political maneuvers of cultural actors isn't the deciding factor on who is defined as what.

This is the same as the whole 'Stalin wasn't really a communist' and 'Obama wasn't a true liberal' and 'Jeb is a RINO' deal. It's no true scotsmen. The alt right is a cultural phenomenon and Milo and Ben are part of and contributors to that phenomenon. White nationalism is a different phenomenon; animated by social forces distinct (but related to) those which animated the alt-right and with a history equally distinct from that of the alt right.

Imagine if you lived in the 1960's and smoked a lot of weed, went to a lot of protests against Vietnam, wore flowers in your hair and were into free love. You would be a hippie. Now if you were a political figure at that time you might claim that you were not a hippie and perhaps you would base that claim on your disagreement with the finer policy points of leading leftist figures or holding views consistent with older forms of liberalism. But regardless of your claims you would still be a hippie. No one is afforded the privilege to define themselves (or others) as is convenient for their agendas.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I think that's a bit of a No True Scotsman fallacy. There is a substantive difference between white nationalists and alt-righters.
Qualitatively the alt-right is high energy while white nationalism is focused energy. The alt-right is an emerging portion of the cultural zeitgeist while white nationalism is the latest head of an ancient hydra.
Qualitatively the policies they endorse and the members they attract are quite different. Many of the highest profile alt-righters are minorities of some sort. Jews feature prominently; Milo and Ben Shapiro are extremely popular and being a minority who endorses Trump in a big way will make you a celebrity within their circles (see Joy Villa).
In the white nationalist movement it isn't that way. While it isn't purely white men, there are some white women, it is almost entirely populated by white males.

Also, the alt-right is not a libertarian movement. Trump's election was the death of libertarianism as a political force in the USA. His policies are strongly anti-libertarian and he didn't even bother to pay lip service to the economic fundamentals of libertarianism. Conservative voters are clearly not moved by libertarian economic principles any longer.

I would be more interested to how you feel about the alt-right in regards to their Ethno-nationalism, Race Realism and Anti-semitism (they vary on these topics, but they usually agree with 2 if not all 3).

Man. Dangerous question lol. Hrm. Alright, I think white nationalism is a lot like communism. It's linked to failed regimes that are extremely unpopular and is largely a spent force outside of eastern Europe and Russia. I would say these elements pose a serious danger to the alt-right though; as one of Trump's kids might say they are poisoned skittles and you probably wouldn't eat any skittles out of the alt-right skittle bowl if one out of every one hundred was a racist white nationalist skittle.

That said, times are clearly changing. White nationalism has a chance to make a comeback (just like communism) because of broad shifts in society. As society becomes more diverse white voters will vote more and more like minorities and as they become a minority they will develop a racial consciousness as well. Racism is no longer the social kiss of death that it once was. Some ideas out of white nationalism will become mainstream due to demographic shifts just as some ideas out of communism will become mainstream due to automation (basic income, for example.

I think within the next fifty years you will see a republican party that wins 90 to 95 percent of the white vote in every election. Basic universal income will be a popular policy with both parties. Free market conservatism will be a complete non-starter with both parties. National elections will probably come down to mobilization along racial lines but the cycle of one two term democratic president and one two term republican president will probably continue. This might sound like good news for the communists and the white nationalists but I think both sides are going to be miserable when they get a little of what they think they want. What we could have had was better but we don't deserve it so we won't get it.

Frokane's Mildly Politcal Hangout Thread

@Dynamo Frokane I think it's fascinating. During the election I followed The_Donald fairly closely and /pol/ and Breitbart somewhat less closely. Though I disagree with him on maybe half of what he says I became a big fan of Milo as well. I suppose I became a fan of Milo the person but I wasn't really converted to his point of view (I'm not convinced he's really a believer in half the stuff he says either).

Every action produces an equal and opposite reaction and SJW-ism eventually produced its anti-thesis in the alt-right. Currently the alt-right's cultural product is vibrant and their impact on the pre-collage crowd is much larger than I think is generally recognized. The right wing is cool again and the far right wing is the cultural zeitgeist for a considerable number of white teenagers.

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@Vordak Sure, why not!

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@Rilla I'll have a look and see what I can change later this evening :-)

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@Vordak No worries :-) Maybe we can colab on HtH stuff another time.

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@Dark Light Do you know when the tournament is suppose to start? I don't want to burn all my energy before we get going but if it is going to be a minute I might be up for a ranked battle!

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@Vordak You know what, I've already finished my character and submitted it but I'll take you as a mentor if you are interested. I have powers this go-round but I like hand to hand stuff too.