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By the way Doc, I understand your evasion and I accept it, but your comment that the Mech's flexibility was poor is kind of irrelevant. It's not really bending at all, it's just dropping its elbow down, like I said sort of like pledging allegiance or whatever it is Americans do. It's hard to describe but it's really a very simple movement.

Anyway got some Pizza coming then I'll try and get into a writing frame of mind.
It really irks the fuck out of me when folks keep on about Mild powers when I was talking about Human Level non-powered. You know, it really proves that they didn't actually read a fucking word I said.


If characters with magical powers can't offset the unbalance of one side having a firearm, how in the world would humans fare any better? They're countering your argument by offering even more advantages to the person without a gun, to explain how guns are a destabilising factor in tier balancing because they severely limit what sort of character can be entered into a tournament for example.

And good luck arguing I have an agenda against firearms, because almost all my characters carry them.
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A paintball-style run-and-gun battle with athletic parkouring soldiers using their guns, their wits, and their moxie is...well, you never see it because literally everyone assumes that if you shoot, you hit, and if you hit, the other guy dies.


My second fight ever was exactly that, a duel between two assassins with firearms, cover and parkour galore. Ask ImportantNobody about it, it was their tournament.
Indeed, tournaments are most workable at low/mid powered ranges, in my opinion. Part of the reason why I joined the Black Mountain tournament was that it was restricted to low power, which I've always wanted in a tournament.
Like I've always said though, truly the tier system only becomes a problem when tournaments are ran, god help tournament hosts and tier balancing.
Perhaps the people who made that tier list thought being of body-builder-esque strength (likely without the body type, muscle mass, and all the ramifications that has) was more combat applicable than running at 60mph.

Looking at it though it does seem a bit odd, perhaps people were having trouble with the metric system. I can lift about fifty five pounds in one arm and I'm in no way built or super-human. Lifting 300kg would be more impressive.

The tier system always was a bit derpy though.
Hey, all I ever wanted to do was create as cool a fight as possible, but my own curiosity is satisfied, cheers for looking in Pollen.

I would say most of my fights probably look like Kubrick movies, none-the-least because I'm incredibly perfectionist about Arena fights. I'm probably the worst person for 'letting things slide' in Arena for that reason, as opposed to what one may think in regards to me just being out to win every match. Ultimately, what is there to gain from winning or losing an unranked match after all? As long as the fight is cool, who cares, I just don't like the fight being vague or leaving the reader thinking 'is that even possible?'

Anyway, glad we can keep going, as this will probably be my last 'for fun' fight in a while.

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I'm charmed that you trust me so :)

Give me some time, need to review all those walls of text you guys wrote.


I'd ignore the walls of text for the most part, the crux is just how much damage the Optics should take from Doc's attack. Though factoring in the circumstances surrounding the attack may also be relevant.
It's not Slimy's speed and agility at question, but its sensory capacity.

The Machine is not so indestructible as it seems apparently, your character has already demonstrated the capacity to muscle its way through armour of the exact same thickness as the joints of the Mech. However rather than press your speed advantage and try for more attacks you insist upon maximum damage from the first? Why is that exactly? What a boring fight you seem to desire.

Meta-gaming would suggest Higan had absolutely no way of knowing that the creature was in hiding, I'm not a soldier, but I think even I could have guessed where Slimy would be hidden considering what greeted him upon entering the room. Here's my break down, as you seem unable to see how observational skills and things I literally state Higan as picking out in the battle can account for his actions.

1. He literally sees Slimy demonstrate the ability to disguise itself from Electric vision.
2. He walks into the most obvious 'I live here' room of all time and has plenty of ammunition, why wouldn't he expend it trying to flush the creature out?
3. He's a soldier, trained to check his corners as every soldier is, it's literally the first place soldiers soldier when entering a room, and you hid there. You know what Higan would have been more surprised by? If you had hid on the ceiling, directly above him.

No, you should be grateful I had him unnecessarily fire his sniper-rifle out of a cheery sporting attitude, he fired it to 'scatter the birds' so to speak. He could have just have easily have sprayed the room with chain-gun fire and blasted a hole through Slimy as he charged.

No, you misunderstand. The Sniper-rifle is a massive metallic pole and the Mech is weighty as hell and super-strong, he literally pointed it at Slimy with the intent of warding him off physically, and you completely ignored the impediment and flew past it. Considering the ground Slimy had to cover his speed and agility was not sufficient to warrant completely ignoring the move, and the distance had to be significant, as he avoided the explosion from the anti-tank round a few moments before. Here's my post where I graciously accept you completely ignored the defence and carried on. http://www.roleplayerguild.com/posts/3381249

Their success speaks only of your own lapse into meta-gaming, whereby Slimy carried out a move completely different to its original objective of climbing up the Mech's back, almost as if it read Higan's mind. Even you had to accept you'd bullshitted that move and had the tail take damage, even though it probably should have been Slimy's actual body.

I've already explained how Higan knew where Slimy was going to be quite conclusively. Though you obviously ignored that argument, as you have proven to do whenever you can't think of a retort. To re-iterate, he threw the Mech backwards, cutting off Slimy's hiding spots, he saw it on the Mech's leg, he knew it was still there, there was only one spot remaining if Slimy was on the Mech at all. If the chain-gun had simply kept firing Slimy would have been wiped off the top of the Mech the moment the hand was in position, but I decided to go for a grab for reasons already mentioned.

Try harder, troll harder, troll faster.
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So now that I've given you an inch, you want the full mile. Damn. I regret editing out my last argument in favor of an attempt at being social.

The more I think about it, the more both lenses should be screwed up and the more attention should be drawn to the metagaming.


I never said I was going to change the damage my character took, I don't edit my posts based off OOC knowledge unless a judge requests it. It's simply because I want an answer to satisfy my own curiosity, and the best I'm going to get is a judge's opinion.

This is an unranked fight, if you're wholly convinced I've meta-gamed against you feel free to quit with literally no ramifications, I'll let the fight die out with no conclusion. I can't be bothered to argue over the matter again.

However, what you don't get to do is act like a sanctimonious asshole for accepting only half blinding an opponent with one shitty attack who has let you have literally tonnes of opportunities to balance out the fight. I'll relay a few.

1. Not pressing every round that my character fired, despite your character's questionable ability to avoid them.
2. Allowing you to fight on your homefield, and edit in numerous terrain and environment advantages at will. Such as, a hill blocking line of site of the entrance of the cave, and a body waiting around to allow full regeneration.
3. Creating a dust cloud upon blowing up the cave entrance so as to prevent my character using night vision and INSTANTLY spotting the shit spot your character hid in. What sort of soldier doesn't know how to check his corners?
4. Firing blindly into the darkness and purposefully missing any vital spots, giving your character a massive three seconds to charge in.
5. Disregarding my own defence that was completely ignored in your advance, read again the sniper-rifle levelled to prevent your character doing exactly what it did, and you completely ignoring it.
6. Throwing the Mech in a fashion that allowed Slimy to easily disengage and escape through the tunnel if desired.
7. Not immediately shooting the shit out of Slimy when he lurked on top of the Mech's head, going for a grab instead (Higan's instinctual reaction, story reasons you know.)

But sure, accuse me of meta-gaming, only being out to win, hell not even playing my character realistically. I don't give a flying fuck.
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