They're all out to lunch. And if it was 20 against one, it wouldn't be a discussion it be a circle jerk. They're enough echo chambers on the internet already. :P
Conversations are less fun when its not short brief and to the point. Which is good you haven't been serious, because I can't take this seriously anymore. I've never taken politics seriously enough to like dislike someone personally over opinions they have, you seem like a fun guy and it probably be more entertaining discussing something silly. But, Oh joy, can't wait to read this rest. ^-^'
1. True, that is an extreme comparison, but its a very vague/sorta extreme opinion to have but I did make it clear it's not the same, or you believe in such a thing. To avoid putting words in your mouth. I know to be careful with words, or at least I try to be. Which I will say, that is the main reason why I'm skeptical about continuing. (because how hyperbolic/extreme certain opinions have been. Even if I know you're not because I've yet to have about 6 ad hominem attacks against me. But it still makes me feel more like I'm just spamming the thread.)
2. The problem is, all it did was show how much worse socialized medicine can get. Failing, does not mean more people will want to try it again. (but even more extreme because Obama didn't go far enough.) Or something along those lines. I mean do we really want something like Canada's system? I could go deeper into...but I suppose if we must go on, I'd like to ask you before I say anything, do you think we should in a direction similar to Canada?
3. No, I mean Reagan, was constantly falsely represented by saying he "invented the term" When it was a democratic term, made up to make him look stupid. It has never been actually used, in serious discussion besides misinformed people that don't know it has never existed or has ever legitimately been spoken.
psmag.com/business-economics/trickle-d..If there’s one person most often associated with the origins of of trickle-down economics, it’s President Ronald Reagan. Few people know, however, that the phrase was actually coined by American humorist Will Rogers, who mocked President Herbert Hoover’s Depression-era recovery efforts, saying that "money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes it would trickle down to the needy."
4. I will argue with the analogy because it's VERY wrong. Cap'N'Trade is a very legit excuse why government reach can go to far and make a problem much worse. Slavery existed before capitalism was even a f**king thing. So it's like comparing apples to orange poltergeists. (aka very unsimilar.) I'm posting links because instead of making up a random story about evil bigmart polluting in a lake. I want evidence to back up my case.
5. I'm just going to stop you there, your argument (Reaganomics/trickle down) is completely for something THAT HAS NEVER EXISTED. It is satire you've believed as truth. Stop bringing it up like an actual thing, please.
You told me, small businesses getting hurt with regulations was a myth. Or that high taxes don't hurt small businesses. It's almost common sense how wrong that is. Now you can argue, the damage is overblown? Or not as serious as the opposition lets on? Maybe...Now you're going to say, "well I don't agree" but you have nothing to prove those statements wrong so how can I even reply?
* No contrary evidence.
*Time equals money. it is an argument.
*They're far cheaper and less restrictive ways to do it.
*The point of that, is the regulations halt drug production, making drugs more expensive because of less competition in the market. They are not simply stopping 'deadly' drugs.
*Nothing to do with the point, but every reply after this I'm seriously just going to post something nonsensical because, I literally don't think this is going anywhere.
But, it still does more than any other alternative. And if your arguing a difference isn't good enough, I have absolutely nothing to add, because any possible suggestion you bring up will fall under this catergory as well.
That's all fine and fair. I don't really think many centrists actually exists. I'm not against people who are passionate. But I take a little farther by not believing anything at face value or assuming things. Just assuming a link is bad before properly reading into it. Or assuming satire is actually a real point, among other things.
Like that...Well doesn't help me much, not even saying where you work, or how much you make Approx. Makes it very hard to believe you. And you want me to not provide facts and evidence...I don't think you should take things at face value and just "believe".
I can give you my opinions, but facts don't care about your feelings. It doesn't matter if I think the sky is blue because of the reflections of the water. (satire.)
spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en No, these aren't my opinions, but I think NASA would know more about the sky than I do...You are arguing against providing evidence. I think this is frankly the silliest thing you've said thus far.
But, if I we're to just go by what school has taught me, it wouldn't be much because my schools fucking sucked. And my memory on pointless facts (or in general.) is frankly appalling. So, I find no problem with looking up what you don't know for sure...the only way you'll ever get smarter is by reading more and how people will know you're not just pulling things out of your ass. By providing such context to be a backbone to your case. Debaters in college aren't suppose to provide no evidence...they do show links and provide their sources too. XD I don't want to have a debate on Moby dick story, and have neither of us read any passage of the book...
(This is not exactly what I describe as fun. XD Well, my roommate's grandapa and someone like my one sister, a bleeding heart liberals, probably never voted replubican in their fuckin lives. And they both like and probably will vote trump...So, I don't exactly know what to say anymore.) But like I said, I will more than likely just say "Wuff" or something depending how engaging I find the next reply. :P
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