SleepingSilence

GAME: Crush A Wish

Wish granted, but its ten times worse than Gotham already is.

I wish for good luck for the rest of my life.

If I Woke Up Beside of You ~Game~

I'm scared. ;-;

How Many People Can You Piss Off In One Sentence?

Power Rangers Samurai is the best season of the entire Power Rangers franchise.

@Altered Tundra

Actually, Operation Overdrive, is the best show cable has had in years...

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

@Gowi I won't say its not a stupid thought. But people in those companies make dumb decisions all the time...and no one probably actually wants bad press effecting their game, but of course they want their game talked about as much as possible.

I mean I don't remember the trailer but if if didn't show people cussing and violence to sell its game I'll eat something I shouldn't. Because I doubt otherwise. xP

I don't have faith that companies aren't doing things on purpose. Because sometimes it goes too far to assume just stupidity. Though my I just don't believe, Hanlon's razor. :P

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

...You are wasting my time...(I don't even feel like posting a full response)

"Fifteen million dollars in sales does not mean fifteen million people saw the movie."

If you can't admit that going into the fucking weeds, just to be argumentative and nit picky, your full of yourself...You cannot bitch at me, for 'overreacting' of all people when your nitpicking is even WORSE and less worthwhile than mine.

It is still millions that would of never cared, buying a ticket to go see a movie.

Are you going to sit here and tell me that Rockstar made their game just to be controversial? Because that's ridiculous.

You're telling they weren't hoping people would bitch about how overly violent it was to get people interested in purchasing it wasn't part of their plan? They know how marketing works...and they aren't the only ones...

If controversy was as powerful as you think it is with the internet video game community then Hatred would be a top selling video game
n4g.com/news/1735027/hatred-selling-mo..

*cough cough* Also DOA 3 couldn't be legally purchased in US, (Not sure if that changed) which is why 'it isn't doing well'. Give me a fucking break. That's more disingenuous words...

CONTROVERSY. DOES NOT. SELL. MILLIONS OF COPIES. OF VIDEO GAMES.

It can be a leading factor to it's success. So I will argue it can, not the ONLY reason, but IT IS one of them...it's not always just one reason why people buy things, I'm arguing it's a factor at play. (and a powerful one at that.)

Relapse was not controversial but it still sold.

(The problem with EVERYTHING your saying is it doesn't matter IN THE SLIGHTEST. AANNNDDD IS STILL WRONG!)
aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00024253.html (Sure, not as much. but it still existed...)

Yet his most controversial albums probably sold the most overall...

You saying that is just needed to exist to sell, is a falsehood. Maybe not intentional but, that is a fallacy assuming the sequel means more money. I showed other examples of popular franchising making less, even though it was a sequel. And if even 1% of sales had to do with the controversy. That's over half a million people...Which is no small number...Granted that's just an assumption. But at this point I don't think I can get anywhere by actually trying...>.>

So, I think I'm going to just going to ignore this and drop it...but I know for a fact, I won't be the next one to bring this kind of B.S into the discussion...but I'll be the criminal for pointing it out...>.> Which I think its a little hypocritical, but whatever.

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@Sen My only thing I will bring up is not all publicity is good publicity, that is a fallacy.

I had nothing to do with star wars and never was a part of that discussion. So not worth bringing it up to me.

It can change depending on exactly what you're talking about but stuff like hip-hop or rap, controversy is practically the main reason people gets popular..

But as I said, some controversy can screw a company over, but it's not the type I'm talking about...

Words can be a surprisingly powerful thing, Lying can get you elected, get you thrown in prison. I think people are taking stupid things said quite seriously, that's why things get banned. Or at the same time, make people care about something they never would of.

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@Sen Well I won't disagree that is was a shitty movie, I don't like Seth Rogan movies in general.

So I assume you're saying, a bunch of people won't buy something because of negative events...

nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/10/us/..

No, it's not a movie or a game but its exactly what I'm saying...Millions of people will buy things over shit like this...

huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/chick-fi..

This kind of thing, agree with it or not (probably not) this is the type of thing I'm talking about. People trying to destroy a business only for their sales to skyrocket is not insignificant...and it does and will and can produce large numbers of people that may of not ever heard or gone there, suddenly eat at that place.

mweb.co.za/games/view/tabid/4210/artic..

A controversy can in fact sell better than a good game, is precisely my point. Though is an example of short term effects not long term. Though that actually hasn't even been brought up.

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

@Cynder I'm sorry if mine did as well, certainly didn't mean to sound aggressive toward you. I was just agreeing with you that's all.

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The whole initial point of my first 'lol' post to the guy was that the controversy was not what got GTA 5 to sell millions of copies. My point then became 'controversy from the goobergobbers and ess jays doesn't sell millions of copies of things'. Does controversy get attention? Sure. But when someone on Twitter goes "This game offends me" and you have people on the other side going 'fuckin ess jays ruining vidya' those people badmouthing the offended aren't then going to cause a huge bump in sales. GTA 5 did not sell 60 million copies because people were angry over the lack of a female protagonist on Twitter. The Interview was going to make money regardless of how it came out because a movie with Seth Rogen and James Franco in it gets the people laughing down the aisles. Did being banned help sales? Undoubtedly, but so did Seth Rogen and James Franco promoting the shit out of it because of the ban.

Controversy is nothing new and people have been using it to sell shit for ages. Like a whole selling point of the 2 Live Crew was that they made songs explicitly talking about sex in an era where that was frowned upon but only one of their albums even managed to move decent numbers. But controversy on its own is not going to increase sales at the millions of copies level.

First sentences in both paragraphs lead to contradiction. Grand Theft Auto 5 actually purposely tried to get into controversy to sell copies. So yes, that leads to sales. And the controversy was created by people whining about violence, or whining about this or that. Games like Hatred also wanted controversy and sold copies entirely due to the fact. If you thought controversy sells, than you wouldn't be arguing the many pointless things you did...

You would of said, I agree with you that the GTA V controversy sold copies, just not as much as you might think.

Instead, you asked me WHAT CONTROVERSY THERE WAS, like it didn't exist...And I still disagree, because I don't think 15 million people would of watched Seth Rogan's terrible movie, if controversy didn't happen. It can make you millions! Eminem wouldn't of gotten so many albums sold, if he wasn't a raving asshole that made everyone call him the anti-christ. Being offense and stirring up shit, can in fact generate a lot of buzz.

I hope you mean me by this because I stand by what I said. I'll even quote it now. 'lol if you think gta made money because of offended people and not because it had the words 'grand theft auto' on the box'

Wait shit, you did it for me. Dammit.

And you asking what controversy even existed in GTA 5, and probably far more making it sound like it didn't exist or do anything...because this was the FIRST TIME you admitted it CAN sell...

You are the one underestimating the power of the media and people words, and how they can impact things. Now can either of us prove exactly why it was sold? No, so I'll leave it at that and assume we have different opinions, but your comments you said before are not the same as the ones your making right now...

I stand by what I said. And I don't know how much more clear I can make it. GTA 5's controversy, whatever one you wanna lump onto it, wasn't what caused the game to sell a massive number of copies. I'm not saying that it HURT sales because obviously it didn't nor am I saying it didn't help sales but to say that offended people are a prime reason why the game sold well is just incorrect. It came out near the end of a console generation and at the start of a new one. It was going to make money from the jump.

That is exactly what you implied when you pretend a controversy didn't exist. Or dismissing hatred and huniepop among my many other example of that being the MAIN factor of how it sold it's copies. I'm not saying that's all that happened either, I was saying. It CAN be, and usually is a BIG impact on sales. Grand Theft Auto 5 devs probably know exactly how well it does boost sales...

gamerant.com/grand-theft-auto-controve..

Sen didn't do anything wrong, friendo.

Point out where I said he did...>.>

What's incorrect about my lol comment about GTA? Like what have we even been discussing this whole time.

Trying to pretend it had no effect and the reason I know this is what you were implying because you also asked me what controversy existed like you didn't believe there even was one. (or two or three or four or five.)

And various other things you've said to me, that seemed the only purpose was to devalue what I said and what I said was.

Controversy sells, and does it well. If you agreed, we wouldn't be having this discussion nor would you have to try to point out.

Ha, I showed you it was actually 20 mil to 54 mil. <--- Shit like this wouldn't be said, if the main argument was something we both agreed with.

You are reading way more into my posts than I put into them, friendo. And you're not even putting the full quote in there. I'm not asking you to show me the controversy the game had. I was asking you to show me that the controversy moved sales of the game. I know GTA 5 had controversy. So did GTA 4. So did GTA San Andreas. GTA is a controversial series because it's the video game people not in the know turn to as proof that games are violent murder simulators now that shit like Doom is outdated.

I grant you maybe I am, but that quote isn't out of context...(and what controversy was there?) how can that even mean anything else? But what it is.


Watch Dogs also had controversies from the boogeymen ess jay crowds and yet that game didn't move anywhere near GTA numbers. The offended people in the video games world are a much, much smaller percentage of the market than you might think. There's a reason that it's always the same people that get put in the image macros and in the reactionary Youtube videos.

That's because the word of mouth, killed that game...And its main controversy WAS NOT about violence or SJW related. It was because of something entirely different therefore you're comparing apples to oranges here. It was about graphics sucking in comparison the demo trailer. I already said not all controversy means sales, usually stuff that isn't just PC culture stuff and is gaming related instead.

The only lie I've spread today is that Huniepop is a funny game.

Comedy is subject, and not really a fact or important...so...Odd point to end on. But I'd be happy to end, since I'm more than a little sure your changing your tune.

B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

@Cynder Well that's what I've been saying, not that it matters, because people still keep bringing up things that aren't just general complaints about life...

But, I don't think defending stupid things said, is the same as saying the stupid things in the first place...I digress.