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@SleepingSilence Calling someone andy rand isnt the same as calling someone insecure, but that depends on your definition of an insult so whatever.

And I didn't say they spoke for the entire movement, but you were asking me to justify my position on what I said about libertarians and notable figures are race revisionists, road haters, (roads are a socialist construct remember) and gun toters, I'm sure there are many who arent but the loud voice of the few will drown out the quiet voice of the many, similar to your nasty SJWs who get all the screen and press time because they are inflammatory.

@Dynamo Frokane

ad ho·mi·nem
ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"

Both fall under the same category. Calling someone a asshole may be more offensive than a jerk. But they both apply to not helpful.

Though SJW's comparsion, I argue is apples and oranges. Because its not a few. They believe this in general and I say, you cannot realistically, nicely express that everyone is oppressive.

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EDIT: and your mnaking another blanket assertion you cant say that movies games literature have no effect on someone's political leanings, do you realise how many people became libertarians after reading Atlus Shrugged or George Orwell's 1984?

And how many people became anti war after watching platoon or saving private ryan?

Powerful forms of media can inform opinions, not everyone's but to say no ones is a little short sighted.

@Dynamo Frokane

I think it's you making blanket statements. XP While it's less than you probably think. I never said media cannot change or shape some part of your opinions. I said Bioshock of all things, is not likely one of those things that created libertarians. ;)

You realize you can be passionately malicious right? You can't assert that 'many would agree that its a fact' not when you are making leaps of definition like that.

@Dynamo Frokane

"Also passion doesn't always equal lunatic. Not quite what I'm going for here..." - Me a mere post ago.

Moving on. <.<

Fine, saying that particular part is a fact, may not be the perfect word to use...but your completely ignoring the main point of my argument. Even if two things are wrong, one thing CAN be MORE wrong than the other.

How much you like or want to side with an individual, but logically it doesn't really matter.

And those gun stats are fine, I just said I'm not making a an anti gun argument, this is why I think youre sensitive and lumping me in with some leftist gun banning hippies, I just told you I dont give a shit about the U.S.A.'s gun policy, dont strawman me sir.

@Dynamo Frokane

I don't honestly think this is going to get us anywhere. So just fair warning I'm probably going to agree to disagree with your overall statement and leave it at that. I really should be doing other things, beside this. But calling me sensitive is why this next statement needs to happen.

@SleepingSilence politically I don't agree with you but...

@Dynamo Frokane

Getting into the weeds and going off topic. (though it encapsulates my point.) I've literally never had anyone politically right (or centered). EVER do this to me. People that bring politics into personal or things not related. Are the very definition of passion in a negative way. Caring SO MUCH about differences of opinion you HAVE the desperate need to cast them down before you're able to admit you like/agree with something they say. I don't think I should be having a debate of "Logic Prevails Above All Else" when Meninist is being used like its a real thing. And yes you say you see that its a joke, but if you agree that not even half of libertarians have all those opinions you previously stated. Why even say it? :/

Also this is getting mildly too long for me to continue this much longer. -.-

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I think we can agree that there are libertarians who are also men's rights activists, that's not a stretch of the imagination.

And yes I think some MRA's are passive aggressive reactionary assholes, just like some feminists, I'm egalitarian, I don't have to side with either one.

@Dynamo Frokane

That doesn't make those word synonymous though. So it's practically meaningless...its equivalent to saying some leftists agree with Hitler...Even if that's a case...That should not be made into an argument that even MOST are. Because you DO NOT make a generalization if MOST or a large number doesn't fit into it. Also both of those movements do not act the same.

@SleepingSilence Okay that's a tad nitpicky, I know tumblr has angry SJWs on it mainly from other people's anecdotes, that's not the same as following it, especially not enough to know about some person angela and some writer who ruined her career, If you're looking for hypocrisy you will have to search a little harder.
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I mean...I could point out something hypocritical you've done rather easily.

This is hypocrisy.

And yeah, saying I'm insecure is just a dumb ad-hominem attack that I wont justify with a response, troll harder Andy Rand. Is attacking an ad hominem attack for being an ad hominim immediately followed up with one of your own.

But it's not my point. And I didn't state that. I said that was mildly contradicting.

And this guy is a race revisionist libertarian.



Jared Taylor is a controversial figure but hes a still a self described libertarian.

@Dynamo Frokane

1. I'm already aware of Stefan Molyneux and I can guarantee he isn't that buzz word. Unless you're describing Charles Murray...Can you throw me bone and tell me specifically what they said and why it's what you describe...I'd rather not watch a 38 minute video if there's one or two specific points that you find to be a problem. :/

2. Well doing mild research of my own, I'm going to assume you mean Charles Murray. Because both their names come up for something called "Race Realism." And I'll admit I know jack shit about either of these two...But I think, the fact they need to go on other people shows, speaks volumes for how popular or commonplace they are...To be fair...you could probably always find a small group of bad apples anywhere. So maybe that was a bad challenge. BUT, I did say one popular one...and it doesn't appear that they're very popular individuals.

I don't want to debate something I don't know the main point of, but I can at the same time say these are outliers and shouldn't be considered apart of the whole movement. (*See first point made.* >.>)

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@SleepingSilence Oh and for the record I never said I hated bioshock for any reasons, I said creating libertarians is another reason not to forgive it. But there are plenty of reasons why I dont forgive bioshock, that are totally non political.

And I'm sorry but your passion argument isn't really holding up, your perceived idea of someone elses passion isnt a good thing just because you say it is. It depends on what the person is pushing. Anita Sarkeesian does make a lot of innacuruaces with her assesment of some games, wether or not shes passionate about these views make no difference to me, if she was shouting more and holding her fist up while talking I wouldn't have any more respect for her, that's not how you make a point.

And to answer the side question I dont live in a country where guns are allowed, I dont really care what the U.S. does with their guns its not my problem. I called libertarians 'gun toting' because they make cringey tough guy memes like this:

@Dynamo Frokane

You make it sound like it needs to confess it's sins. XD But I can't say you can't find political leaning in games, movies and music sometimes obnoxious or I'd be a hypocrite. But I can nearly guarantee it didn't make anyone change their political opinion...

My argument that naivety is better than malicious intent. Is basically a fact or I don't know many that would disagree...And 2+2=5 and 2+2=100 and one being more right than another is also a literal scientific fact. I admitted that both may lead to problems. Also passion doesn't always equal lunatic. Not quite what I'm going for here...

Also, despite most memes in general being cringe. That has some absolute fact to back that up.

"In studies involving interviews of felons, one of the reasons the majority of burglars try to avoid occupied homes is the chance of getting shot. (Increasing the odds of arrest is another.) A study of Pennsylvania burglary inmates reported that many burglars refrain from late-night burglaries because it's hard to tell if anyone is home, several explaining "That's the way to get shot." (Rengert G. and Wasilchick J., Suburban Burglary: A Time and a Place for Everything, 1985, Springfield, IL: Charles Thomas.)

By comparing criminal victimization surveys from Britain and the Netherlands (countries having low levels of gun ownership) with the U.S., Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck determined that if the U.S. were to have similar rates of "hot" burglaries as these other nations, there would be more than 450,000 additional burglaries per year where the victim was threatened or assaulted. (Britain and the Netherlands have a "hot" burglary rate near 45% versus just under 13% for the U.S., and in the U.S. a victim is threatened or attacked 30% of the time during a "hot" burglary.)"

TLDR: Basically we get robbed less in USA, especially hot burglary (meaning robbed while still home.) Because people fear getting shot.

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@SleepingSilence I think that your comments about SJWs arent too different from my comments about libertarians, you dont agree with the movement so you poke fun at them. You can say the majority of SJWs are rude and calling 'everyone' racist/sexist whatever but the reality is you havent met enough SJWs to make a overall comment on their behavior as I haven't met enough libertarians to justify saying they are ALL the way I say they are, but I'm generalizing to point out an issue with the ideology. And some libertarians do consider themselves centrist, they refer to themselves being in 'the middle' of left and right wing politics.

@Dynamo Frokane

@Dynamo Frokane Not in real life. Maybe. But...I've seen enough of them online, and their you tube videos of their opinions. Tell me what libertarians on youtube say they hate roads? FIND ONE that's popular. I'll wait. Want me to find SJW's that say everyone is _____ and have a bunch of views. I can certainly do just that! Some may have in fact have "centrist" economical positions. But it's clear most are pro personal freedoms on social issues. They're a clearer political position to me than some alternatives that are so vague they barely mean anything...

Also I want you to find me ONE that's a race revisionist...Because using Meninist and that words, are literal buzz words with absolutely no fact or evidence backing it up.

I have no idea who Angela or this tumblr writer is, I dont follow tumblr as much as you do it seems.

And yeah, saying I'm insecure is just a dumb ad-hominem attack that I wont justify with a response, troll harder Andy Rand.

@Dynamo Frokane

Also if you claim that you don't follow tumblr, don't claim that they're passionate to me. That seems mighty contradictory, admitting you know nothing about something yet proclaiming such a thing, like you do.

And I won't defend personal attacks, which include you calling a other person a name right back...two wrongs don't make a right.

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